[L2Ork-dev] Pd-L2Ork 20230820 is now available
Linux Rouen Normandie
linux.rouen at free.fr
Thu Aug 24 17:44:10 EDT 2023
Thanks, I'm still learning each day new things! 😉
So this thread is now closed. 😎
Best, Joseph
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Le 24/08/2023 à 20:40, Ico Bukvic a écrit :
> The color change shows that this abstraction has been changed and not
> saved. So, as soon as you save it, the border goes back to normal.
> This just lets you know that you changed the abstraction and once you
> close the main patch, that will not save the abstraction changes, nor
> alter other instances of the same abstraction.
>
> Best,
> Ico
> --
> Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A.
> Director, Creativity + Innovation
> Director, Human-Centered Design iPhD
> Institute for Creativity, Arts, and Technology
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> (540) 231-6139
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> On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 1:32 PM Linux Rouen Normandie
> <linux.rouen at free.fr> wrote:
>
> Hello Ico,
> My answers embedded into your email.
> Best, Joseph
> = = = = = = = = = =
>
> Le 24/08/2023 à 15:06, Ico Bukvic a écrit :
>> Looks like translation for the k12 mode in the File menu is
>> missing. It is the "undefined" option that is checked. When you
>> start with pd-l2ork-k12 and create the new patch, do you
>> immediately get k12 menu on the left side of the new patch?
>> A: Yes it's working like you described it! And the Put menu is
>> well gone.
>>
>> This mode is for beginners, so it prevents access to more
>> advanced options and allows creation of only k12 objects. This is
>> the reason why it is still included.
>> A: Now I understand, so yes it's making a lot of sense to have
>> K12 separated, very nice!
>>
>> For the abstractions where you see their name, this is because
>> pd-l2ork draws objects inside of the abstraction window *even* if
>> they are only partially visible, and then the frame on top of
>> them together with the abstraction name, whereas vanilla and
>> purr-data draw this in reverse (frame and name first, then
>> objects, only if they fully fit inside the frame), thus the
>> abstraction names are hidden by objects drawn inside the
>> abstraction. You can always simply hide the abstraction name.
>> This is what this option is for. Hope this helps.
>> A: Well, hiding the abstraction names is a potential solution
>> but here in Pd-L2Ork is introducing a bad red GOP look
>> (abstractions and GOP borders). So on one side we fix an issue
>> (abstraction names) but we change the GOP apparence to the users
>> into a weird direction. See the attached screens capture (not in
>> Edit mode).
>>
>> Best,
>> Ico
>> --
>> Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A.
>> Director, Creativity + Innovation
>> Institute for Creativity, Arts, and Technology
>>
>> Virginia Tech
>> Creative Technologies in Music
>> School of Performing Arts – 0141
>> Blacksburg, VA 24061
>> (540) 231-6139
>> ico at vt.edu
>>
>> ci.icat.vt.edu <http://ci.icat.vt.edu>
>> l2ork.icat.vt.edu <http://l2ork.icat.vt.edu>
>> ico.bukvic.net <http://ico.bukvic.net>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 24, 2023, 06:29 Linux Rouen Normandie
>> <linux.rouen at free.fr> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Ico,
>> Thank you for your answers.
>> Please see my comments here below in my original mail awa the
>> 2 attached screen captures.
>> Best,
>> Joseph
>> = = = = = = = = = =
>>
>> Le 24/08/2023 à 06:25, Ico Bukvic a écrit :
>>> Hi Joseph,
>>> Please see my comments below.
>>> Best,
>>> Ico
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A.
>>> Director, Creativity + Innovation
>>> Institute for Creativity, Arts, and Technology
>>>
>>> Virginia Tech
>>> Creative Technologies in Music
>>> School of Performing Arts – 0141
>>> Blacksburg, VA 24061
>>> (540) 231-6139
>>> ico at vt.edu
>>>
>>> ci.icat.vt.edu <http://ci.icat.vt.edu>
>>> l2ork.icat.vt.edu <http://l2ork.icat.vt.edu>
>>> ico.bukvic.net <http://ico.bukvic.net>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 23, 2023, 21:27 Linux Rouen Normandie
>>> <linux.rouen at free.fr> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Ico,
>>>
>>> Thank you for releasing Pd-L2Ork-full-20230820, here
>>> rev.8559baef-aarch64.deb.
>>> After downloading it from your web site, I just
>>> installed it on my Raspberry Pi 400 running under
>>> Raspberry Pi OS 11 (Bullseye) 32-bit.
>>>
>>> I really like your new 60-hz GUI.
>>> And it's still a little bit strange when you move back
>>> and forth between Pure Data (Tcl/Tk) and Pd-L2Ork / Purr
>>> Data (HTML5). From my user point of view, it would be
>>> very nice to have into one application all the best of them.
>>>
>>> After a quick test, I have detected few issues of which:
>>> 1- GEM errors in the console (I'm not a GEM user yet):
>>> """""
>>> GEM: image loading plugins: magick SGI STB jpeg tiff
>>> GEM: film loading plugins: MPEG3 aviplay gmerlin
>>> quicktime4linux
>>> GEM: image saving plugins: SGI STB jpeg magick tiff
>>> GEM: model loading plugins: OBJ
>>> / error: [GEM:recordNDI] Please (re)install the NewTek
>>> NDI Runtimes to use this plugin.//
>>> //... click the link above to track it down, or click
>>> the 'Find Last Error' item in the Edit menu.//
>>> / error: need to find the library
>>> 'libndi.so.4'
>>> GEM: video record plugins: QT4L V4L V4L2
>>> / error: [GEM:videoNDI] Please (re)install the NewTek
>>> NDI Runtimes to use this plugin.//
>>> // error: need to find the library
>>> 'libndi.so.4'//
>>> /GEM: video capture plugins: NDI dc1394 decklink v4l v4l2
>>> """""
>>>
>>>
>>> This is benign. It just says that you don't have support for
>>> some of the modules either because you don't have that
>>> device or supporting libraries, or both. You can ignore these.
>>>
>>> A: Well, understood.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2- [fluid~]
>>> """""
>>> error: fluid~: no method for 'gain'
>>> """""
>>> I have tested both Pd-L2Ork-20230820 and
>>> Purr-Data-2.19.3-20230725 with the same configuration on
>>> the same RPi with the same Audio/MIDI patch, Purr Data
>>> is okay but effectively no [gain( control with Pd-L2Ork.
>>>
>>>
>>> Will need to investigate when this feature was added and
>>> update my source. Should be a quick fix.
>>>
>>> A: Good.
>>>
>>>
>>> 3- Launching Pd-L2Ork K12 still open (only) Pd-L2-Ork.
>>> Is a dedicated K12 version still current ?
>>>
>>>
>>> You can now enable K12 mode in the File menu, or just show
>>> the M12 menu in the Put menu. That said, are you sure
>>> Pd-L2Ork starts in regular mode? Open a patch and see if the
>>> K12 menu is available.
>>>
>>> A: In the File menu of both Pd-L2Ork Std and K12 there is a
>>> K12 Demos entry, see here attached screen capture, but not a
>>> K12 mode.
>>> Now I've effectively missed the K12 menu entry in the Put
>>> menu which is really helpful for students. Clicking on it
>>> displays on the left side of the patch window the K12
>>> colored menu and objects. Great!
>>> Q: So, is it making sense for having both Pd-L2Ork Std and
>>> K12 entries in the Audio & Video of the system Main menu?
>>>
>>>
>>> 4- I have also some minor issues with Abstractions (name
>>> displayed) into GOP but it's needing further
>>> investigations. Purr Data doesn't have them.
>>>
>>>
>>> Let me know what you find and I will gladly investigate.
>>>
>>> A: See here attached a screen capture highlighting the
>>> differences between Pd-L2Ork and Purr Data.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Joseph Gastelais
>>> = = = = = = = = = =
>>>
>>> Le 22/08/2023 à 20:14, Ico Bukvic a écrit :
>>>> All,
>>>>
>>>> A new version is now up, fixing hopefully once and for
>>>> all graph-on-parent (GOP) issues with the truly
>>>> embedded GOP drawing available only in pd-l2ork. There
>>>> are also tons of little fixes and improvements,
>>>> including the array name color being inverted based on
>>>> the background color.
>>>>
>>>> You can fetch it from the usual link:
>>>> https://bit.ly/pd-l2ork
>>>>
>>>> I would appreciate it if you would please spread the
>>>> word. Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Ico
>>>> --
>>>> Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A.
>>>> Director, Creativity + Innovation
>>>> Director, Human-Centered Design iPhD
>>>> Institute for Creativity, Arts, and Technology
>>>> Virginia Tech
>>>> Creative Technologies in Music
>>>> School of Performing Arts – 0141
>>>> Blacksburg, VA 24061
>>>> (540) 231-6139
>>>> ico at vt.edu
>>>>
>>>> ci.icat.vt.edu <http://ci.icat.vt.edu>
>>>> l2ork.icat.vt.edu <http://l2ork.icat.vt.edu>
>>>> ico.bukvic.net <http://ico.bukvic.net>
>>>>
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