[L2Ork-dev] Pd-L2Ork 20230820 is now available

Linux Rouen Normandie linux.rouen at free.fr
Thu Aug 24 17:44:10 EDT 2023


Thanks, I'm still learning each day new things! 😉
So this thread is now closed. 😎
Best, Joseph
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Le 24/08/2023 à 20:40, Ico Bukvic a écrit :
> The color change shows that this abstraction has been changed and not 
> saved. So, as soon as you save it, the border goes back to normal. 
> This just lets you know that you changed the abstraction and once you 
> close the main patch, that will not save the abstraction changes, nor 
> alter other instances of the same abstraction.
>
> Best,
> Ico
> -- 
> Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A.
> Director, Creativity + Innovation
> Director, Human-Centered Design iPhD
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> On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 1:32 PM Linux Rouen Normandie 
> <linux.rouen at free.fr> wrote:
>
>     Hello Ico,
>     My answers embedded into your email.
>     Best, Joseph
>     = = = = = = = = = =
>
>     Le 24/08/2023 à 15:06, Ico Bukvic a écrit :
>>     Looks like translation for the k12 mode in the File menu is
>>     missing. It is the "undefined" option that is checked. When you
>>     start with pd-l2ork-k12 and create the new patch, do you
>>     immediately get k12 menu on the left side of the new patch?
>>      A: Yes it's working like you described it! And the Put menu is
>>     well gone.
>>
>>     This mode is for beginners, so it prevents access to more
>>     advanced options and allows creation of only k12 objects. This is
>>     the reason why it is still included.
>>      A: Now I understand, so yes it's making a lot of sense to have
>>     K12 separated, very nice!
>>
>>     For the abstractions where you see their name, this is because
>>     pd-l2ork draws objects inside of the abstraction window *even* if
>>     they are only partially visible, and then the frame on top of
>>     them together with the abstraction name, whereas vanilla and
>>     purr-data draw this in reverse (frame and name first, then
>>     objects, only if they fully fit inside the frame), thus the
>>     abstraction names are hidden by objects drawn inside the
>>     abstraction. You can always simply hide the abstraction name.
>>     This is what this option is for. Hope this helps.
>>      A: Well, hiding the abstraction names is a potential solution
>>     but here in Pd-L2Ork is introducing a bad red GOP look
>>     (abstractions and GOP borders). So on one side we fix an issue
>>     (abstraction names) but we change the GOP apparence to the users
>>     into a weird direction. See the attached screens capture (not in
>>     Edit mode).
>>
>>     Best,
>>     Ico
>>     -- 
>>     Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A.
>>     Director, Creativity + Innovation
>>     Institute for Creativity, Arts, and Technology
>>
>>     Virginia Tech
>>     Creative Technologies in Music
>>     School of Performing Arts – 0141
>>     Blacksburg, VA 24061
>>     (540) 231-6139
>>     ico at vt.edu
>>
>>     ci.icat.vt.edu <http://ci.icat.vt.edu>
>>     l2ork.icat.vt.edu <http://l2ork.icat.vt.edu>
>>     ico.bukvic.net <http://ico.bukvic.net>
>>
>>     On Thu, Aug 24, 2023, 06:29 Linux Rouen Normandie
>>     <linux.rouen at free.fr> wrote:
>>
>>         Hello Ico,
>>         Thank you for your answers.
>>         Please see my comments here below in my original mail awa the
>>         2 attached screen captures.
>>         Best,
>>         Joseph
>>         = = = = = = = = = =
>>
>>         Le 24/08/2023 à 06:25, Ico Bukvic a écrit :
>>>         Hi Joseph,
>>>         Please see my comments below.
>>>         Best,
>>>         Ico
>>>
>>>         -- 
>>>         Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A.
>>>         Director, Creativity + Innovation
>>>         Institute for Creativity, Arts, and Technology
>>>
>>>         Virginia Tech
>>>         Creative Technologies in Music
>>>         School of Performing Arts – 0141
>>>         Blacksburg, VA 24061
>>>         (540) 231-6139
>>>         ico at vt.edu
>>>
>>>         ci.icat.vt.edu <http://ci.icat.vt.edu>
>>>         l2ork.icat.vt.edu <http://l2ork.icat.vt.edu>
>>>         ico.bukvic.net <http://ico.bukvic.net>
>>>
>>>         On Wed, Aug 23, 2023, 21:27 Linux Rouen Normandie
>>>         <linux.rouen at free.fr> wrote:
>>>
>>>             Hello Ico,
>>>
>>>             Thank you for releasing Pd-L2Ork-full-20230820, here
>>>             rev.8559baef-aarch64.deb.
>>>             After downloading it from your web site, I just
>>>             installed it on my Raspberry Pi 400 running under
>>>             Raspberry Pi OS 11 (Bullseye) 32-bit.
>>>
>>>             I really like your new 60-hz GUI.
>>>             And it's still a little bit strange when you move back
>>>             and forth between Pure Data (Tcl/Tk) and Pd-L2Ork / Purr
>>>             Data (HTML5). From my user point of view, it would be
>>>             very nice to have into one application all the best of them.
>>>
>>>             After a quick test, I have detected few issues of which:
>>>             1- GEM errors in the console (I'm not a GEM user yet):
>>>             """""
>>>             GEM: image loading plugins: magick SGI STB jpeg tiff
>>>             GEM: film loading plugins: MPEG3 aviplay gmerlin
>>>             quicktime4linux
>>>             GEM: image saving plugins: SGI STB jpeg magick tiff
>>>             GEM: model loading plugins: OBJ
>>>             /  error: [GEM:recordNDI] Please (re)install the NewTek
>>>             NDI Runtimes to use this plugin.//
>>>             //... click the link above to track it down, or click
>>>             the 'Find Last Error' item in the Edit menu.//
>>>             / error:                need to find the library
>>>             'libndi.so.4'
>>>             GEM: video record plugins: QT4L V4L V4L2
>>>             /  error: [GEM:videoNDI] Please (re)install the NewTek
>>>             NDI Runtimes to use this plugin.//
>>>             //  error:                need to find the library
>>>             'libndi.so.4'//
>>>             /GEM: video capture plugins: NDI dc1394 decklink v4l v4l2
>>>             """""
>>>
>>>
>>>         This is benign. It just says that you don't have support for
>>>         some of the modules either because you don't have that
>>>         device or supporting libraries, or both. You can ignore these.
>>>
>>>         A: Well, understood.
>>>
>>>
>>>             2- [fluid~]
>>>             """""
>>>             error: fluid~: no method for 'gain'
>>>             """""
>>>             I have tested both Pd-L2Ork-20230820 and
>>>             Purr-Data-2.19.3-20230725 with the same configuration on
>>>             the same RPi with the same Audio/MIDI patch, Purr Data
>>>             is okay but effectively no [gain( control with Pd-L2Ork.
>>>
>>>
>>>         Will need to investigate when this feature was added and
>>>         update my source. Should be a quick fix.
>>>
>>>         A: Good.
>>>
>>>
>>>             3- Launching Pd-L2Ork K12 still open (only) Pd-L2-Ork.
>>>             Is a dedicated K12 version still current ?
>>>
>>>
>>>         You can now enable K12 mode in the File menu, or just show
>>>         the M12 menu in the Put menu. That said, are you sure
>>>         Pd-L2Ork starts in regular mode? Open a patch and see if the
>>>         K12 menu is available.
>>>
>>>         A: In the File menu of both Pd-L2Ork Std and K12 there is a
>>>         K12 Demos entry, see here attached screen capture, but not a
>>>         K12 mode.
>>>         Now I've effectively missed the K12 menu entry in the Put
>>>         menu which is really helpful for students. Clicking on it
>>>         displays on the left side of the patch window the K12
>>>         colored menu and objects. Great!
>>>         Q: So, is it making sense for having both Pd-L2Ork Std and
>>>         K12 entries in the Audio & Video of the system Main menu?
>>>
>>>
>>>             4- I have also some minor issues with Abstractions (name
>>>             displayed) into GOP but it's needing further
>>>             investigations. Purr Data doesn't have them.
>>>
>>>
>>>         Let me know what you find and I will gladly investigate.
>>>
>>>         A: See here attached a screen capture highlighting the
>>>         differences between Pd-L2Ork and Purr Data.
>>>
>>>
>>>             Best,
>>>             Joseph Gastelais
>>>             = = = = = = = = = =
>>>
>>>             Le 22/08/2023 à 20:14, Ico Bukvic a écrit :
>>>>             All,
>>>>
>>>>             A new version is now up, fixing hopefully once and for
>>>>             all graph-on-parent (GOP) issues with the truly
>>>>             embedded GOP drawing available only in pd-l2ork. There
>>>>             are also tons of little fixes and improvements,
>>>>             including the array name color being inverted based on
>>>>             the background color.
>>>>
>>>>             You can fetch it from the usual link:
>>>>             https://bit.ly/pd-l2ork
>>>>
>>>>             I would appreciate it if you would please spread the
>>>>             word. Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>             Best,
>>>>             Ico
>>>>             -- 
>>>>             Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A.
>>>>             Director, Creativity + Innovation
>>>>             Director, Human-Centered Design iPhD
>>>>             Institute for Creativity, Arts, and Technology
>>>>             Virginia Tech
>>>>             Creative Technologies in Music
>>>>             School of Performing Arts – 0141
>>>>             Blacksburg, VA 24061
>>>>             (540) 231-6139
>>>>             ico at vt.edu
>>>>
>>>>             ci.icat.vt.edu  <http://ci.icat.vt.edu>
>>>>             l2ork.icat.vt.edu  <http://l2ork.icat.vt.edu>
>>>>             ico.bukvic.net   <http://ico.bukvic.net>
>>>>
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