[L2Ork-dev] Pd-L2Ork 20230820 is now available

Thu Aug 24 14:40:48 EDT 2023

The color change shows that this abstraction has been changed and not
saved. So, as soon as you save it, the border goes back to normal. This
just lets you know that you changed the abstraction and once you close the
main patch, that will not save the abstraction changes, nor alter other
instances of the same abstraction.

Best,

Ico

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On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 1:32 PM Linux Rouen Normandie <linux.rouen at free.fr>
wrote:

> Hello Ico,
> My answers embedded into your email.
> Best, Joseph
> = = = = = = = = = =
>
> Le 24/08/2023 à 15:06, Ico Bukvic a écrit :
>
> Looks like translation for the k12 mode in the File menu is missing. It is
> the "undefined" option that is checked. When you start with pd-l2ork-k12
> and create the new patch, do you immediately get k12 menu on the left side
> of the new patch?
>  A: Yes it's working like you described it! And the Put menu is well gone.
>
> This mode is for beginners, so it prevents access to more advanced options
> and allows creation of only k12 objects. This is the reason why it is still
> included.
>  A: Now I understand, so yes it's making a lot of sense to have K12
> separated, very nice!
>
> For the abstractions where you see their name, this is because pd-l2ork
> draws objects inside of the abstraction window *even* if they are only
> partially visible, and then the frame on top of them together with the
> abstraction name, whereas vanilla and purr-data draw this in reverse (frame
> and name first, then objects, only if they fully fit inside the frame),
> thus the abstraction names are hidden by objects drawn inside the
> abstraction. You can always simply hide the abstraction name. This is what
> this option is for. Hope this helps.
>  A: Well, hiding the abstraction names is a potential solution but here in
> Pd-L2Ork is introducing a bad red GOP look (abstractions and GOP borders).
> So on one side we fix an issue (abstraction names) but we change the GOP
> apparence to the users into a weird direction. See the attached screens
> capture (not in Edit mode).
>
> Best,
> Ico
> --
> Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A.
> Director, Creativity + Innovation
> Institute for Creativity, Arts, and Technology
>
> Virginia Tech
> Creative Technologies in Music
> School of Performing Arts – 0141
> Blacksburg, VA 24061
> (540) 231-6139
> ico at vt.edu
>
> ci.icat.vt.edu
> l2ork.icat.vt.edu
> ico.bukvic.net
>
> On Thu, Aug 24, 2023, 06:29 Linux Rouen Normandie <linux.rouen at free.fr>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Ico,
>> Thank you for your answers.
>> Please see my comments here below in my original mail awa the 2 attached
>> screen captures.
>> Best,
>> Joseph
>> = = = = = = = = = =
>>
>> Le 24/08/2023 à 06:25, Ico Bukvic a écrit :
>>
>> Hi Joseph,
>> Please see my comments below.
>> Best,
>> Ico
>>
>> --
>> Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A.
>> Director, Creativity + Innovation
>> Institute for Creativity, Arts, and Technology
>>
>> Virginia Tech
>> Creative Technologies in Music
>> School of Performing Arts – 0141
>> Blacksburg, VA 24061
>> (540) 231-6139
>> ico at vt.edu
>>
>> ci.icat.vt.edu
>> l2ork.icat.vt.edu
>> ico.bukvic.net
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 23, 2023, 21:27 Linux Rouen Normandie <linux.rouen at free.fr>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Ico,
>>>
>>> Thank you for releasing Pd-L2Ork-full-20230820, here
>>> rev.8559baef-aarch64.deb.
>>> After downloading it from your web site, I just installed it on my
>>> Raspberry Pi 400 running under Raspberry Pi OS 11 (Bullseye) 32-bit.
>>>
>>> I really like your new 60-hz GUI.
>>> And it's still a little bit strange when you move back and forth between
>>> Pure Data (Tcl/Tk) and Pd-L2Ork / Purr Data (HTML5). From my user point of
>>> view, it would be very nice to have into one application all the best of
>>> them.
>>>
>>> After a quick test, I have detected few issues of which:
>>> 1- GEM errors in the console (I'm not a GEM user yet):
>>> """""
>>> GEM: image loading plugins: magick SGI STB jpeg tiff
>>> GEM: film loading plugins: MPEG3 aviplay gmerlin quicktime4linux
>>> GEM: image saving plugins: SGI STB jpeg magick tiff
>>> GEM: model loading plugins: OBJ
>>> *  error: [GEM:recordNDI] Please (re)install the NewTek NDI Runtimes to
>>> use this plugin.*
>>> *... click the link above to track it down, or click the 'Find Last
>>> Error' item in the Edit menu.*
>>>  error:                need to find the library 'libndi.so.4'
>>> GEM: video record plugins: QT4L V4L V4L2
>>> *  error: [GEM:videoNDI] Please (re)install the NewTek NDI Runtimes to
>>> use this plugin.*
>>> *  error:                need to find the library 'libndi.so.4'*
>>> GEM: video capture plugins: NDI dc1394 decklink v4l v4l2
>>> """""
>>>
>>
>> This is benign. It just says that you don't have support for some of the
>> modules either because you don't have that device or supporting libraries,
>> or both. You can ignore these.
>>
>> A: Well, understood.
>>
>>
>>> 2- [fluid~]
>>> """""
>>> error: fluid~: no method for 'gain'
>>> """""
>>> I have tested both Pd-L2Ork-20230820 and Purr-Data-2.19.3-20230725 with
>>> the same configuration on the same RPi with the same Audio/MIDI patch, Purr
>>> Data is okay but effectively no [gain( control with Pd-L2Ork.
>>>
>>
>> Will need to investigate when this feature was added and update my
>> source. Should be a quick fix.
>>
>> A: Good.
>>
>>
>>> 3- Launching Pd-L2Ork K12 still open (only) Pd-L2-Ork.
>>> Is a dedicated K12 version still current ?
>>>
>>
>> You can now enable K12 mode in the File menu, or just show the M12 menu
>> in the Put menu. That said, are you sure Pd-L2Ork starts in regular mode?
>> Open a patch and see if the K12 menu is available.
>>
>> A: In the File menu of both Pd-L2Ork Std and K12 there is a K12 Demos
>> entry, see here attached screen capture, but not a K12 mode.
>> Now I've effectively missed the K12 menu entry in the Put menu which is
>> really helpful for students. Clicking on it displays on the left side of
>> the patch window the K12 colored menu and objects. Great!
>> Q: So, is it making sense for having both Pd-L2Ork Std and K12 entries in
>> the Audio & Video of the system Main menu?
>>
>>
>>> 4- I have also some minor issues with Abstractions (name displayed) into
>>> GOP but it's needing further investigations. Purr Data doesn't have them.
>>>
>>
>> Let me know what you find and I will gladly investigate.
>>
>> A: See here attached a screen capture highlighting the differences
>> between Pd-L2Ork and Purr Data.
>>
>>
>>> Best,
>>> Joseph Gastelais
>>> = = = = = = = = = =
>>>
>>> Le 22/08/2023 à 20:14, Ico Bukvic a écrit :
>>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> A new version is now up, fixing hopefully once and for all
>>> graph-on-parent (GOP) issues with the truly embedded GOP drawing available
>>> only in pd-l2ork. There are also tons of little fixes and improvements,
>>> including the array name color being inverted based on the background color.
>>>
>>> You can fetch it from the usual link:
>>> https://bit.ly/pd-l2ork
>>>
>>> I would appreciate it if you would please spread the word. Thanks.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Ico
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A.
>>> Director, Creativity + Innovation
>>> Director, Human-Centered Design iPhD
>>> Institute for Creativity, Arts, and Technology
>>>
>>> Virginia Tech
>>> Creative Technologies in Music
>>> School of Performing Arts – 0141
>>> Blacksburg, VA 24061
>>> (540) 231-6139ico at vt.edu
>>> ci.icat.vt.edul2ork.icat.vt.eduico.bukvic.net
>>>
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