<div dir="ltr">The color change shows that this abstraction has been changed and not saved. So, as soon as you save it, the border goes back to normal. This just lets you know that you changed the abstraction and once you close the main patch, that will not save the abstraction changes, nor alter other instances of the same abstraction.<div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Ico<br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><pre cols="72"><pre cols="72">-- <br>Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A.<br>Director, Creativity + Innovation
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</pre><pre cols="72">Virginia Tech<br>Creative Technologies in Music<br>School of Performing Arts – 0141<br>Blacksburg, VA 24061<br>(540) 231-6139<br><a href="mailto:ico@vt.edu" target="_blank">ico@vt.edu</a><br><br><a href="http://ci.icat.vt.edu" target="_blank">ci.icat.vt.edu</a><br><a href="http://l2ork.icat.vt.edu" target="_blank">l2ork.icat.vt.edu</a><br><a href="http://ico.bukvic.net" target="_blank">ico.bukvic.net<br></a></pre></pre></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 1:32 PM Linux Rouen Normandie <<a href="mailto:linux.rouen@free.fr">linux.rouen@free.fr</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>
Hello Ico,<br>
My answers embedded into your email.<br>
Best, Joseph<br>
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<div>Le 24/08/2023 à 15:06, Ico Bukvic a
écrit :<br>
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<div>Looks like translation for the k12 mode in the File menu is
missing. It is the "undefined" option that is checked. When
you start with pd-l2ork-k12 and create the new patch, do you
immediately get k12 menu on the left side of the new patch?<br>
A: Yes it's working like you described it! And the Put menu
is well gone.<br>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">This mode is for beginners, so it prevents
access to more advanced options and allows creation of only
k12 objects. This is the reason why it is still included.<br>
A: Now I understand, so yes it's making a lot of sense to
have K12 separated, very nice!<br>
</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">For the abstractions where you see their name,
this is because pd-l2ork draws objects inside of the
abstraction window *even* if they are only partially
visible, and then the frame on top of them together with the
abstraction name, whereas vanilla and purr-data draw this in
reverse (frame and name first, then objects, only if they
fully fit inside the frame), thus the abstraction names are
hidden by objects drawn inside the abstraction. You can
always simply hide the abstraction name. This is what this
option is for. Hope this helps.<br>
A: Well, hiding the abstraction names is a potential
solution but here in Pd-L2Ork is introducing a bad red GOP
look (abstractions and GOP borders). So on one side we fix
an issue (abstraction names) but we change the GOP apparence
to the users into a weird direction. See the attached
screens capture (not in Edit mode).<br>
<br>
<div dir="auto">Best,<br>
Ico<br>
-- <br>
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Director, Creativity + Innovation<br>
Institute for Creativity, Arts, and Technology<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Aug 24, 2023,
06:29 Linux Rouen Normandie <<a href="mailto:linux.rouen@free.fr" target="_blank">linux.rouen@free.fr</a>>
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<div> Hello Ico,<br>
Thank you for your answers.<br>
Please see my comments here below in my original mail
awa the 2 attached screen captures.<br>
Best,<br>
Joseph<br>
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<div>Le 24/08/2023 à 06:25, Ico Bukvic a écrit :<br>
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<div>Hi Joseph,
<div dir="auto">Please see my comments below.<br>
<div dir="auto">Best,<br>
Ico<br>
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Director, Creativity + Innovation<br>
Institute for Creativity, Arts, and Technology<br>
<br>
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Creative Technologies in Music<br>
School of Performing Arts – 0141<br>
Blacksburg, VA 24061<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug
23, 2023, 21:27 Linux Rouen Normandie <<a href="mailto:linux.rouen@free.fr" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">linux.rouen@free.fr</a>>
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<div> Hello Ico,<br>
<br>
Thank you for releasing
Pd-L2Ork-full-20230820, here
rev.8559baef-aarch64.deb.<br>
After downloading it from your web site, I
just installed it on my Raspberry Pi 400
running under Raspberry Pi OS 11 (Bullseye)
32-bit.<br>
<br>
I really like your new 60-hz GUI.<br>
And it's still a little bit strange when you
move back and forth between Pure Data
(Tcl/Tk) and Pd-L2Ork / Purr Data (HTML5).
From my user point of view, it would be very
nice to have into one application all the
best of them.<br>
<br>
After a quick test, I have detected few
issues of which:<br>
1- GEM errors in the console (I'm not a GEM
user yet):<br>
"""""<br>
GEM: image loading plugins: magick SGI STB
jpeg tiff<br>
GEM: film loading plugins: MPEG3 aviplay
gmerlin quicktime4linux<br>
GEM: image saving plugins: SGI STB jpeg
magick tiff<br>
GEM: model loading plugins: OBJ<br>
<i> error: [GEM:recordNDI] Please
(re)install the NewTek NDI Runtimes to use
this plugin.</i><i><br>
</i><i>... click the link above to track it
down, or click the 'Find Last Error' item
in the Edit menu.</i><i><br>
</i> error: need to find the
library 'libndi.so.4'<br>
GEM: video record plugins: QT4L V4L V4L2<br>
<i> error: [GEM:videoNDI] Please
(re)install the NewTek NDI Runtimes to use
this plugin.</i><i><br>
</i><i> error: need to find
the library 'libndi.so.4'</i><i><br>
</i>GEM: video capture plugins: NDI dc1394
decklink v4l v4l2<br>
"""""<br>
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<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">This is benign. It just says that
you don't have support for some of the modules
either because you don't have that device or
supporting libraries, or both. You can ignore
these.<br>
<br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">A: Well, understood.<br>
<br>
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<div> <br>
2- [fluid~]<br>
"""""<br>
error: fluid~: no method for 'gain'<br>
"""""<br>
I have tested both Pd-L2Ork-20230820 and
Purr-Data-2.19.3-20230725 with the same
configuration on the same RPi with the same
Audio/MIDI patch, Purr Data is okay but
effectively no [gain( control with Pd-L2Ork.<br>
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<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Will need to investigate when this
feature was added and update my source. Should be
a quick fix.<br>
<br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">A: Good.<br>
<br>
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<div> <br>
3- Launching Pd-L2Ork K12 still open (only)
Pd-L2-Ork.<br>
Is a dedicated K12 version still current ?<br>
</div>
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<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">You can now enable K12 mode in the
File menu, or just show the M12 menu in the Put
menu. That said, are you sure Pd-L2Ork starts in
regular mode? Open a patch and see if the K12 menu
is available.<br>
<br>
A: In the File menu of both Pd-L2Ork Std and K12
there is a K12 Demos entry, see here attached
screen capture, but not a K12 mode.<br>
Now I've effectively missed the K12 menu entry in
the Put menu which is really helpful for students.
Clicking on it displays on the left side of the
patch window the K12 colored menu and objects.
Great!<br>
Q: So, is it making sense for having both Pd-L2Ork
Std and K12 entries in the Audio & Video of
the system Main menu?<br>
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<div> <br>
4- I have also some minor issues with
Abstractions (name displayed) into GOP but
it's needing further investigations. Purr
Data doesn't have them.<br>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Let me know what you find and I will
gladly investigate.<br>
<br>
A: See here attached a screen capture highlighting
the differences between Pd-L2Ork and Purr Data.<br>
</div>
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<div> <br>
Best,<br>
Joseph Gastelais<br>
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<br>
<div>Le 22/08/2023 à 20:14, Ico Bukvic a
écrit :<br>
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<div dir="ltr">All,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>A new version is now up, fixing
hopefully once and for all
graph-on-parent (GOP) issues with the
truly embedded GOP drawing available
only in pd-l2ork. There are also tons
of little fixes and improvements,
including the array name color being
inverted based on the background
color.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>You can fetch it from the usual
link:</div>
<div><a href="https://bit.ly/pd-l2ork" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://bit.ly/pd-l2ork</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I would appreciate it if you would
please spread the word. Thanks.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best,</div>
<div>Ico</div>
<div>
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Director, Creativity + Innovation
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Institute for Creativity, Arts, and Technology
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