[L2Ork-dev] Pd-L2Ork 20230820 is now available
Linux Rouen Normandie
linux.rouen at free.fr
Thu Aug 24 13:32:50 EDT 2023
Hello Ico,
My answers embedded into your email.
Best, Joseph
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Le 24/08/2023 à 15:06, Ico Bukvic a écrit :
> Looks like translation for the k12 mode in the File menu is missing.
> It is the "undefined" option that is checked. When you start with
> pd-l2ork-k12 and create the new patch, do you immediately get k12 menu
> on the left side of the new patch?
> A: Yes it's working like you described it! And the Put menu is well gone.
>
> This mode is for beginners, so it prevents access to more advanced
> options and allows creation of only k12 objects. This is the reason
> why it is still included.
> A: Now I understand, so yes it's making a lot of sense to have K12
> separated, very nice!
>
> For the abstractions where you see their name, this is because
> pd-l2ork draws objects inside of the abstraction window *even* if they
> are only partially visible, and then the frame on top of them together
> with the abstraction name, whereas vanilla and purr-data draw this in
> reverse (frame and name first, then objects, only if they fully fit
> inside the frame), thus the abstraction names are hidden by objects
> drawn inside the abstraction. You can always simply hide the
> abstraction name. This is what this option is for. Hope this helps.
> A: Well, hiding the abstraction names is a potential solution but
> here in Pd-L2Ork is introducing a bad red GOP look (abstractions and
> GOP borders). So on one side we fix an issue (abstraction names) but
> we change the GOP apparence to the users into a weird direction. See
> the attached screens capture (not in Edit mode).
>
> Best,
> Ico
> --
> Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A.
> Director, Creativity + Innovation
> Institute for Creativity, Arts, and Technology
>
> Virginia Tech
> Creative Technologies in Music
> School of Performing Arts – 0141
> Blacksburg, VA 24061
> (540) 231-6139
> ico at vt.edu
>
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> ico.bukvic.net <http://ico.bukvic.net>
>
> On Thu, Aug 24, 2023, 06:29 Linux Rouen Normandie
> <linux.rouen at free.fr> wrote:
>
> Hello Ico,
> Thank you for your answers.
> Please see my comments here below in my original mail awa the 2
> attached screen captures.
> Best,
> Joseph
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>
> Le 24/08/2023 à 06:25, Ico Bukvic a écrit :
>> Hi Joseph,
>> Please see my comments below.
>> Best,
>> Ico
>>
>> --
>> Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A.
>> Director, Creativity + Innovation
>> Institute for Creativity, Arts, and Technology
>>
>> Virginia Tech
>> Creative Technologies in Music
>> School of Performing Arts – 0141
>> Blacksburg, VA 24061
>> (540) 231-6139
>> ico at vt.edu
>>
>> ci.icat.vt.edu <http://ci.icat.vt.edu>
>> l2ork.icat.vt.edu <http://l2ork.icat.vt.edu>
>> ico.bukvic.net <http://ico.bukvic.net>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 23, 2023, 21:27 Linux Rouen Normandie
>> <linux.rouen at free.fr> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Ico,
>>
>> Thank you for releasing Pd-L2Ork-full-20230820, here
>> rev.8559baef-aarch64.deb.
>> After downloading it from your web site, I just installed it
>> on my Raspberry Pi 400 running under Raspberry Pi OS 11
>> (Bullseye) 32-bit.
>>
>> I really like your new 60-hz GUI.
>> And it's still a little bit strange when you move back and
>> forth between Pure Data (Tcl/Tk) and Pd-L2Ork / Purr Data
>> (HTML5). From my user point of view, it would be very nice to
>> have into one application all the best of them.
>>
>> After a quick test, I have detected few issues of which:
>> 1- GEM errors in the console (I'm not a GEM user yet):
>> """""
>> GEM: image loading plugins: magick SGI STB jpeg tiff
>> GEM: film loading plugins: MPEG3 aviplay gmerlin quicktime4linux
>> GEM: image saving plugins: SGI STB jpeg magick tiff
>> GEM: model loading plugins: OBJ
>> / error: [GEM:recordNDI] Please (re)install the NewTek NDI
>> Runtimes to use this plugin.//
>> //... click the link above to track it down, or click the
>> 'Find Last Error' item in the Edit menu.//
>> / error: need to find the library 'libndi.so.4'
>> GEM: video record plugins: QT4L V4L V4L2
>> / error: [GEM:videoNDI] Please (re)install the NewTek NDI
>> Runtimes to use this plugin.//
>> // error: need to find the library
>> 'libndi.so.4'//
>> /GEM: video capture plugins: NDI dc1394 decklink v4l v4l2
>> """""
>>
>>
>> This is benign. It just says that you don't have support for some
>> of the modules either because you don't have that device or
>> supporting libraries, or both. You can ignore these.
>>
>> A: Well, understood.
>>
>>
>> 2- [fluid~]
>> """""
>> error: fluid~: no method for 'gain'
>> """""
>> I have tested both Pd-L2Ork-20230820 and
>> Purr-Data-2.19.3-20230725 with the same configuration on the
>> same RPi with the same Audio/MIDI patch, Purr Data is okay
>> but effectively no [gain( control with Pd-L2Ork.
>>
>>
>> Will need to investigate when this feature was added and update
>> my source. Should be a quick fix.
>>
>> A: Good.
>>
>>
>> 3- Launching Pd-L2Ork K12 still open (only) Pd-L2-Ork.
>> Is a dedicated K12 version still current ?
>>
>>
>> You can now enable K12 mode in the File menu, or just show the
>> M12 menu in the Put menu. That said, are you sure Pd-L2Ork starts
>> in regular mode? Open a patch and see if the K12 menu is available.
>>
>> A: In the File menu of both Pd-L2Ork Std and K12 there is a K12
>> Demos entry, see here attached screen capture, but not a K12 mode.
>> Now I've effectively missed the K12 menu entry in the Put menu
>> which is really helpful for students. Clicking on it displays on
>> the left side of the patch window the K12 colored menu and
>> objects. Great!
>> Q: So, is it making sense for having both Pd-L2Ork Std and K12
>> entries in the Audio & Video of the system Main menu?
>>
>>
>> 4- I have also some minor issues with Abstractions (name
>> displayed) into GOP but it's needing further investigations.
>> Purr Data doesn't have them.
>>
>>
>> Let me know what you find and I will gladly investigate.
>>
>> A: See here attached a screen capture highlighting the
>> differences between Pd-L2Ork and Purr Data.
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Joseph Gastelais
>> = = = = = = = = = =
>>
>> Le 22/08/2023 à 20:14, Ico Bukvic a écrit :
>>> All,
>>>
>>> A new version is now up, fixing hopefully once and for all
>>> graph-on-parent (GOP) issues with the truly embedded GOP
>>> drawing available only in pd-l2ork. There are also tons of
>>> little fixes and improvements, including the array name
>>> color being inverted based on the background color.
>>>
>>> You can fetch it from the usual link:
>>> https://bit.ly/pd-l2ork
>>>
>>> I would appreciate it if you would please spread the word.
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Ico
>>> --
>>> Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A.
>>> Director, Creativity + Innovation
>>> Director, Human-Centered Design iPhD
>>> Institute for Creativity, Arts, and Technology
>>> Virginia Tech
>>> Creative Technologies in Music
>>> School of Performing Arts – 0141
>>> Blacksburg, VA 24061
>>> (540) 231-6139
>>> ico at vt.edu
>>>
>>> ci.icat.vt.edu <http://ci.icat.vt.edu>
>>> l2ork.icat.vt.edu <http://l2ork.icat.vt.edu>
>>> ico.bukvic.net <http://ico.bukvic.net>
>>>
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