[L2Ork-dev] Pd-L2Ork 20230820 is now available

Linux Rouen Normandie linux.rouen at free.fr
Thu Aug 24 13:32:50 EDT 2023


Hello Ico,
My answers embedded into your email.
Best, Joseph
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Le 24/08/2023 à 15:06, Ico Bukvic a écrit :
> Looks like translation for the k12 mode in the File menu is missing. 
> It is the "undefined" option that is checked. When you start with 
> pd-l2ork-k12 and create the new patch, do you immediately get k12 menu 
> on the left side of the new patch?
>  A: Yes it's working like you described it! And the Put menu is well gone.
>
> This mode is for beginners, so it prevents access to more advanced 
> options and allows creation of only k12 objects. This is the reason 
> why it is still included.
>  A: Now I understand, so yes it's making a lot of sense to have K12 
> separated, very nice!
>
> For the abstractions where you see their name, this is because 
> pd-l2ork draws objects inside of the abstraction window *even* if they 
> are only partially visible, and then the frame on top of them together 
> with the abstraction name, whereas vanilla and purr-data draw this in 
> reverse (frame and name first, then objects, only if they fully fit 
> inside the frame), thus the abstraction names are hidden by objects 
> drawn inside the abstraction. You can always simply hide the 
> abstraction name. This is what this option is for. Hope this helps.
>  A: Well, hiding the abstraction names is a potential solution but 
> here in Pd-L2Ork is introducing a bad red GOP look (abstractions and 
> GOP borders). So on one side we fix an issue (abstraction names) but 
> we change the GOP apparence to the users into a weird direction. See 
> the attached screens capture (not in Edit mode).
>
> Best,
> Ico
> -- 
> Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A.
> Director, Creativity + Innovation
> Institute for Creativity, Arts, and Technology
>
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> On Thu, Aug 24, 2023, 06:29 Linux Rouen Normandie 
> <linux.rouen at free.fr> wrote:
>
>     Hello Ico,
>     Thank you for your answers.
>     Please see my comments here below in my original mail awa the 2
>     attached screen captures.
>     Best,
>     Joseph
>     = = = = = = = = = =
>
>     Le 24/08/2023 à 06:25, Ico Bukvic a écrit :
>>     Hi Joseph,
>>     Please see my comments below.
>>     Best,
>>     Ico
>>
>>     -- 
>>     Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A.
>>     Director, Creativity + Innovation
>>     Institute for Creativity, Arts, and Technology
>>
>>     Virginia Tech
>>     Creative Technologies in Music
>>     School of Performing Arts – 0141
>>     Blacksburg, VA 24061
>>     (540) 231-6139
>>     ico at vt.edu
>>
>>     ci.icat.vt.edu <http://ci.icat.vt.edu>
>>     l2ork.icat.vt.edu <http://l2ork.icat.vt.edu>
>>     ico.bukvic.net <http://ico.bukvic.net>
>>
>>     On Wed, Aug 23, 2023, 21:27 Linux Rouen Normandie
>>     <linux.rouen at free.fr> wrote:
>>
>>         Hello Ico,
>>
>>         Thank you for releasing Pd-L2Ork-full-20230820, here
>>         rev.8559baef-aarch64.deb.
>>         After downloading it from your web site, I just installed it
>>         on my Raspberry Pi 400 running under Raspberry Pi OS 11
>>         (Bullseye) 32-bit.
>>
>>         I really like your new 60-hz GUI.
>>         And it's still a little bit strange when you move back and
>>         forth between Pure Data (Tcl/Tk) and Pd-L2Ork / Purr Data
>>         (HTML5). From my user point of view, it would be very nice to
>>         have into one application all the best of them.
>>
>>         After a quick test, I have detected few issues of which:
>>         1- GEM errors in the console (I'm not a GEM user yet):
>>         """""
>>         GEM: image loading plugins: magick SGI STB jpeg tiff
>>         GEM: film loading plugins: MPEG3 aviplay gmerlin quicktime4linux
>>         GEM: image saving plugins: SGI STB jpeg magick tiff
>>         GEM: model loading plugins: OBJ
>>         /  error: [GEM:recordNDI] Please (re)install the NewTek NDI
>>         Runtimes to use this plugin.//
>>         //... click the link above to track it down, or click the
>>         'Find Last Error' item in the Edit menu.//
>>         / error:                need to find the library 'libndi.so.4'
>>         GEM: video record plugins: QT4L V4L V4L2
>>         /  error: [GEM:videoNDI] Please (re)install the NewTek NDI
>>         Runtimes to use this plugin.//
>>         //  error:                need to find the library
>>         'libndi.so.4'//
>>         /GEM: video capture plugins: NDI dc1394 decklink v4l v4l2
>>         """""
>>
>>
>>     This is benign. It just says that you don't have support for some
>>     of the modules either because you don't have that device or
>>     supporting libraries, or both. You can ignore these.
>>
>>     A: Well, understood.
>>
>>
>>         2- [fluid~]
>>         """""
>>         error: fluid~: no method for 'gain'
>>         """""
>>         I have tested both Pd-L2Ork-20230820 and
>>         Purr-Data-2.19.3-20230725 with the same configuration on the
>>         same RPi with the same Audio/MIDI patch, Purr Data is okay
>>         but effectively no [gain( control with Pd-L2Ork.
>>
>>
>>     Will need to investigate when this feature was added and update
>>     my source. Should be a quick fix.
>>
>>     A: Good.
>>
>>
>>         3- Launching Pd-L2Ork K12 still open (only) Pd-L2-Ork.
>>         Is a dedicated K12 version still current ?
>>
>>
>>     You can now enable K12 mode in the File menu, or just show the
>>     M12 menu in the Put menu. That said, are you sure Pd-L2Ork starts
>>     in regular mode? Open a patch and see if the K12 menu is available.
>>
>>     A: In the File menu of both Pd-L2Ork Std and K12 there is a K12
>>     Demos entry, see here attached screen capture, but not a K12 mode.
>>     Now I've effectively missed the K12 menu entry in the Put menu
>>     which is really helpful for students. Clicking on it displays on
>>     the left side of the patch window the K12 colored menu and
>>     objects. Great!
>>     Q: So, is it making sense for having both Pd-L2Ork Std and K12
>>     entries in the Audio & Video of the system Main menu?
>>
>>
>>         4- I have also some minor issues with Abstractions (name
>>         displayed) into GOP but it's needing further investigations.
>>         Purr Data doesn't have them.
>>
>>
>>     Let me know what you find and I will gladly investigate.
>>
>>     A: See here attached a screen capture highlighting the
>>     differences between Pd-L2Ork and Purr Data.
>>
>>
>>         Best,
>>         Joseph Gastelais
>>         = = = = = = = = = =
>>
>>         Le 22/08/2023 à 20:14, Ico Bukvic a écrit :
>>>         All,
>>>
>>>         A new version is now up, fixing hopefully once and for all
>>>         graph-on-parent (GOP) issues with the truly embedded GOP
>>>         drawing available only in pd-l2ork. There are also tons of
>>>         little fixes and improvements, including the array name
>>>         color being inverted based on the background color.
>>>
>>>         You can fetch it from the usual link:
>>>         https://bit.ly/pd-l2ork
>>>
>>>         I would appreciate it if you would please spread the word.
>>>         Thanks.
>>>
>>>         Best,
>>>         Ico
>>>         -- 
>>>         Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A.
>>>         Director, Creativity + Innovation
>>>         Director, Human-Centered Design iPhD
>>>         Institute for Creativity, Arts, and Technology
>>>         Virginia Tech
>>>         Creative Technologies in Music
>>>         School of Performing Arts – 0141
>>>         Blacksburg, VA 24061
>>>         (540) 231-6139
>>>         ico at vt.edu
>>>
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>>>         l2ork.icat.vt.edu  <http://l2ork.icat.vt.edu>
>>>         ico.bukvic.net   <http://ico.bukvic.net>
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