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Thanks, I'm still learning each day new things! 😉<br>
So this thread is now closed. 😎<br>
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<div dir="ltr">The color change shows that this abstraction has
been changed and not saved. So, as soon as you save it, the
border goes back to normal. This just lets you know that you
changed the abstraction and once you close the main patch, that
will not save the abstraction changes, nor alter other instances
of the same abstraction.
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<div> Hello Ico,<br>
My answers embedded into your email.<br>
Best, Joseph<br>
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<div>Le 24/08/2023 à 15:06, Ico Bukvic a écrit :<br>
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<div>Looks like translation for the k12 mode in the File
menu is missing. It is the "undefined" option that is
checked. When you start with pd-l2ork-k12 and create
the new patch, do you immediately get k12 menu on the
left side of the new patch?<br>
 A: Yes it's working like you described it! And the
Put menu is well gone.<br>
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<div dir="auto">This mode is for beginners, so it
prevents access to more advanced options and allows
creation of only k12 objects. This is the reason why
it is still included.<br>
 A: Now I understand, so yes it's making a lot of
sense to have K12 separated, very nice!<br>
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<div dir="auto">For the abstractions where you see
their name, this is because pd-l2ork draws objects
inside of the abstraction window *even* if they are
only partially visible, and then the frame on top of
them together with the abstraction name, whereas
vanilla and purr-data draw this in reverse (frame
and name first, then objects, only if they fully fit
inside the frame), thus the abstraction names are
hidden by objects drawn inside the abstraction. You
can always simply hide the abstraction name. This is
what this option is for. Hope this helps.<br>
 A: Well, hiding the abstraction names is a
potential solution but here in Pd-L2Ork is
introducing a bad red GOP look (abstractions and GOP
borders). So on one side we fix an issue
(abstraction names) but we change the GOP apparence
to the users into a weird direction. See the
attached screens capture (not in Edit mode).<br>
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<div dir="auto">Best,<br>
Ico<br>
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Director, Creativity + Innovation<br>
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<div> Hello Ico,<br>
Thank you for your answers.<br>
Please see my comments here below in my original
mail awa the 2 attached screen captures.<br>
Best,<br>
Joseph<br>
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<div>Hi Joseph,
<div dir="auto">Please see my comments
below.<br>
<div dir="auto">Best,<br>
Ico<br>
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Director, Creativity + Innovation<br>
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Technology<br>
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<div> Hello Ico,<br>
<br>
Thank you for releasing
Pd-L2Ork-full-20230820, here
rev.8559baef-aarch64.deb.<br>
After downloading it from your web
site, I just installed it on my
Raspberry Pi 400 running under
Raspberry Pi OS 11 (Bullseye)
32-bit.<br>
<br>
I really like your new 60-hz GUI.<br>
And it's still a little bit strange
when you move back and forth between
Pure Data (Tcl/Tk) and Pd-L2Ork /
Purr Data (HTML5). From my user
point of view, it would be very nice
to have into one application all the
best of them.<br>
<br>
After a quick test, I have detected
few issues of which:<br>
1- GEM errors in the console (I'm
not a GEM user yet):<br>
"""""<br>
GEM: image loading plugins: magick
SGI STB jpeg tiff<br>
GEM: film loading plugins: MPEG3
aviplay gmerlin quicktime4linux<br>
GEM: image saving plugins: SGI STB
jpeg magick tiff<br>
GEM: model loading plugins: OBJ<br>
<i>Â error: [GEM:recordNDI] Please
(re)install the NewTek NDI
Runtimes to use this plugin.</i><i><br>
</i><i>... click the link above to
track it down, or click the 'Find
Last Error' item in the Edit menu.</i><i><br>
</i>Â error:Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â need to
find the library 'libndi.so.4'<br>
GEM: video record plugins: QT4L V4L
V4L2<br>
<i>Â error: [GEM:videoNDI] Please
(re)install the NewTek NDI
Runtimes to use this plugin.</i><i><br>
</i><i>Â error:Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â need
to find the library 'libndi.so.4'</i><i><br>
</i>GEM: video capture plugins: NDI
dc1394 decklink v4l v4l2<br>
"""""<br>
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<div dir="auto">This is benign. It just says
that you don't have support for some of
the modules either because you don't have
that device or supporting libraries, or
both. You can ignore these.<br>
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<div dir="auto">A: Well, understood.<br>
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2- [fluid~]<br>
"""""<br>
error: fluid~: no method for 'gain'<br>
"""""<br>
I have tested both Pd-L2Ork-20230820
and Purr-Data-2.19.3-20230725 with
the same configuration on the same
RPi with the same Audio/MIDI patch,
Purr Data is okay but effectively no
[gain( control with Pd-L2Ork.<br>
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<div dir="auto">Will need to investigate
when this feature was added and update my
source. Should be a quick fix.<br>
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<div dir="auto">A: Good.<br>
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3- Launching Pd-L2Ork K12 still open
(only) Pd-L2-Ork.<br>
Is a dedicated K12 version still
current ?<br>
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<div dir="auto">You can now enable K12 mode
in the File menu, or just show the M12
menu in the Put menu. That said, are you
sure Pd-L2Ork starts in regular mode? Open
a patch and see if the K12 menu is
available.<br>
<br>
A: In the File menu of both Pd-L2Ork Std
and K12 there is a K12 Demos entry, see
here attached screen capture, but not a
K12 mode.<br>
Now I've effectively missed the K12 menu
entry in the Put menu which is really
helpful for students. Clicking on it
displays on the left side of the patch
window the K12 colored menu and objects.
Great!<br>
Q: So, is it making sense for having both
Pd-L2Ork Std and K12 entries in the Audio
& Video of the system Main menu?<br>
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4- I have also some minor issues
with Abstractions (name displayed)
into GOP but it's needing further
investigations. Purr Data doesn't
have them.<br>
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<div dir="auto">Let me know what you find
and I will gladly investigate.<br>
<br>
A: See here attached a screen capture
highlighting the differences between
Pd-L2Ork and Purr Data.<br>
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Best,<br>
Joseph Gastelais<br>
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<div>Le 22/08/2023 Ã 20:14, Ico
Bukvic a écrit :<br>
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<div>A new version is now up,
fixing hopefully once and for
all graph-on-parent (GOP)
issues with the truly embedded
GOP drawing available only in
pd-l2ork. There are also tons
of little fixes and
improvements, including the
array name color being
inverted based on the
background color.</div>
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<div>You can fetch it from the
usual link:</div>
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<div>I would appreciate it if
you would please spread the
word. Thanks.</div>
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<div>Best,</div>
<div>Ico</div>
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