[L2Ork-dev] upcoming: 2.14.1
Ivica Ico Bukvic
ico at vt.edu
Fri Sep 18 12:54:22 EDT 2020
What about ctrl+alt+delete ;-)
Kidding aside, I agree. Even alt+tab is problematic, and ctrl+tab may
be, as well if OSX captures those OS-wide before they propagate into
applications. That leaves us with exactly what you suggested.
Best,
Ico
On 9/18/2020 12:46 PM, Albert Graef wrote:
> Whatever you use, *not* Alt as modifier please, as that's our new
> temporary runmode key. :) So no Ctrl+Alt+Tab, sorry Ico.
>
> On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 6:44 PM Albert Graef <aggraef at gmail.com
> <mailto:aggraef at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Ctrl+Shift+Tab sounds good, and looking at our menu shortcuts,
> Ctrl+T should still be available as well.
>
> In any case, switchable tab navigation of the canvas would be
> awesome to have, in both editmode and runmode.
>
> Which reminds me that tab navigation of the help browser is broken
> (old bug), I think I'll better look into that today and see
> whether I can still get it fixed in time for 2.14.1.
>
> Albert
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 6:22 PM Ivica Ico Bukvic <ico at vt.edu
> <mailto:ico at vt.edu>> wrote:
>
>
> On 9/18/2020 12:05 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
> > `<shift-tab>` navigates backwards.
>
> And pressing \ should create such a character and delete
> should delete
> things but in pd neither work as the standard suggests. Yes,
> there are
> standards, and then there are contextual needs. Sure shift-tab
> may not
> be the best example but we can come up with a different
> 2/3/4-finger
> salute to make this easier to access.
>
> ctrl+shift+tab?
> ctrl+alt+tab?
>
> Pick your poison...
>
> Creating a message just to toggle this behavior on and off
> puts us
> exactly in the same place where we are trying to get out of in
> respect
> to the keyboard focus...
>
> >
> > Also, regular old `<tab>` is key to discoverability. This is
> the way
> > tab focus works in all modern systems. We just need a
> shortcut for the
> > menu option to toggle it on/off.
> >
> > -Jonathan
> >
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 11:06 AM Ivica Ico Bukvic
> <ico at vt.edu <mailto:ico at vt.edu>> wrote:
> >>>> On 9/18/2020 11:03 AM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
> >>>>> On 9/18/2020 10:49 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> Tab could be also used in run mode for some activity
> (as it is in L2Ork
> >>>>>> Tweeter, for instance) and hijacking it would interrupt
> the interaction
> >>>>>> flow.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> There's a huge usability boon to allowing the user to
> change focus
> >>>>>> using tab in runmode, just as there is in a browser
> when filling out a
> >>>>>> form. We need a simple way to allow the user to do this
> so that, for
> >>>>>> example, they can traverse a column of gatoms to
> quickly update many
> >>>>>> different values. That's been a recurring feature
> request in Vanilla,
> >>>>>> and users go to a lot of trouble hacking the GUI->Pd
> system in order
> >>>>>> to simulate it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> We could just add a "tabfocus" method to glists. When
> it's on tab can
> >>>>>> be used to traverse focus of gui elements with the
> keyboard. I'd argue
> >>>>>> to have it on by default.
> >>>>> I don't disagree that it would not be potentially
> useful. However, how
> >>>>> would you prevent it from adversely affecting the
> aforesaid scenario?
> >>>>> Perhaps press shift+tab to get started and then you get
> exclusive
> >>>>> focus in this mode and freely tab by pressing just tab
> until you Esc
> >>>>> out of it? I could see that being useful. Plain tab to
> enter it would
> >>>>> result in a lot of unwanted positives.
> >>>> That last sentence did not sound right. I meant "false
> positives" but
> >>>> you probably already got that :-)
> >>>>
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> Co-Director, Human Centered Design iPhD
> Institute for Creativity, Arts, and Technology
>
> Virginia Tech
> Creative Technologies in Music
> School of Performing Arts – 0141
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> (540) 231-6139
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Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A.
Director, Creativity + Innovation
Co-Director, Human Centered Design iPhD
Institute for Creativity, Arts, and Technology
Virginia Tech
Creative Technologies in Music
School of Performing Arts – 0141
Blacksburg, VA 24061
(540) 231-6139
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