[L2Ork-dev] Purr Data: Availability of Else and Cyclone libraries?

Fri Feb 3 15:40:10 EST 2023

Patches could be easily edited using sed and awk.

Hopefully you saved yourself the trouble and merged hammereditor changes
from pd-l2ork trunk, as that one already works there.

Best,

Ico

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On Fri, Feb 3, 2023, 15:20 Albert Graef <aggraef at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ok, so [comment] is another one for the TODO list, because no one in their
> right mind would volunteer to manually edit 200+ help patches.
>
> On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at 8:03 PM Alexandre Torres Porres <porres at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> by the way, the [comment] object, which hasn't been ported, could still
>> be left of with no real damage, since it always missed in l2ork/purr data.
>> The thing is that I use it a lot in the documentation of Cyclone. I
>> wouldn't mind removing it though from all help files (but [comment] itself
>> of course). I just don't have the patience to do it.
>>
>> I would gladly accept a PR that removes all [comment] objects from all
>> help files and these could be replaced by regular labels in [cnv] objects.
>> If anyone want to do that for us, should be simple and easy to do, it just
>> requires manual labor and doing a repetitive task for over 200 help files
>> :)
>>
>> If that is done, I don't think that merging the new Cyclone will be that
>> complicated. It will probably still miss other features that haven't been
>> ported yet and that's fine too as they were already missing. The biggest
>> issue seems to rely on porting [comment] from scratch just because help
>> files would be kinda ruined.
>>
>> cheers
>>
>> Em sex., 3 de fev. de 2023 às 15:21, Alexandre Torres Porres <
>> porres at gmail.com> escreveu:
>>
>>> Em sex., 3 de fev. de 2023 às 14:56, Albert Graef <aggraef at gmail.com>
>>> escreveu:
>>>
>>>> Also, as Alexandre mentioned, it makes sense for his cyclone and ELSE
>>>> to stabilize a bit before we attempt to port them over.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Cyclone should be stable, specially now with the last release I plan to
>>> do this month
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Then there's the issue of backward compatibility with legacy cyclone
>>>> applications that needs some thought. Right now, people can still run many
>>>> of their old patches that they used to run with classic pd-l2ork or
>>>> pd-extended with Purr Data, and we'd like to keep it that way. I'm not sure
>>>> how compatible the latest cyclone still is with older versions. Alexandre,
>>>> you should know, maybe you can shed some light on this?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Cyclone is supposed to be backwards compatible, but there are minor
>>> exceptions and issues specific to pd-l2ork/purr data, like the [coll]
>>> object, which has a 2nd argument in pd-l2ork/purr data for the threaded
>>> mode. The thing is that way back, still in MAX 4.0, a 2nd argument was
>>> added to [coll] (and this was after Cyclone was developed). We included
>>> this behaviour for proper and exact compatibility to MAX. So we created an
>>> extra "@threaded" mode for [coll] and this was back in Cyclone 0.3 and this
>>> matter was discussed at the time and mentioned to Ivica, I remember. This
>>> seems to be the most complicated matter.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Maybe some of the tasks involved could be tackled in a future GSoC
>>>>
>>>
>>> That would be great and I could get involved in that as some "mentor",
>>> and also learn better from it how to adapt the GUI externals to nw.js and
>>> also how to properly code GUIs in tcl/tk.
>>>
>>> cheers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> but I wouldn't hold my breath for it. I'm tempted to look into it at
>>>> some point, though. I've also been tossing around the idea to add another
>>>> plugdata-like type of "light" build which would include cyclone and ELSE to
>>>> mirror what's available in plugdata. That would be useful for those who
>>>> might prefer Purr for development, but would also like to be able to run
>>>> their patches as plugins via plugdata. I consider myself in that camp.
>>>>
>>>> Lots of tasks for the infinite TODO list (TM). ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Albert
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at 3:05 PM Linux ROUEN Normandie <
>>>> linux.rouen at free.fr> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Jonathan and Albert,
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there any chance to have sooner or later available under Purr Data
>>>>> (today with Pd-0.48.0 engine) the following 2 libraries ?
>>>>> - Else <https://github.com/porres/pd-else> >= v.1.0 (this version
>>>>> needs Pd Vanilla >= v.0.53-1)
>>>>> - Cyclone <https://github.com/porres/pd-cyclone> (~ Max 7.3.5) >=
>>>>> v.0.6.1 (this version needs Pd Vanilla >= v.0.52-1)
>>>>> Today Cyclone (~ Max 4) in Purr Data is in a prehistorical version ~
>>>>> 0.1 for years.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or at least the following 3 objects ?
>>>>> - [else/keyboard] - this is a must to have for MIDI applications
>>>>> - [else/sfont~] - a nice alternative to [fluid~]
>>>>> - [else/midi] - an alternative to [cyclone/seq]
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Joseph Gastelais
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