[L2Ork-dev] Purr Data: Availability of Else and Cyclone libraries?

[Albert Graef]

Ok, so [comment] is another one for the TODO list, because no one in their
right mind would volunteer to manually edit 200+ help patches.

On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at 8:03 PM Alexandre Torres Porres <porres at gmail.com>
wrote:

> by the way, the [comment] object, which hasn't been ported, could still be
> left of with no real damage, since it always missed in l2ork/purr data. The
> thing is that I use it a lot in the documentation of Cyclone. I wouldn't
> mind removing it though from all help files (but [comment] itself of
> course). I just don't have the patience to do it.
>
> I would gladly accept a PR that removes all [comment] objects from all
> help files and these could be replaced by regular labels in [cnv] objects.
> If anyone want to do that for us, should be simple and easy to do, it just
> requires manual labor and doing a repetitive task for over 200 help files
> :)
>
> If that is done, I don't think that merging the new Cyclone will be that
> complicated. It will probably still miss other features that haven't been
> ported yet and that's fine too as they were already missing. The biggest
> issue seems to rely on porting [comment] from scratch just because help
> files would be kinda ruined.
>
> cheers
>
> Em sex., 3 de fev. de 2023 às 15:21, Alexandre Torres Porres <
> porres at gmail.com> escreveu:
>
>> Em sex., 3 de fev. de 2023 às 14:56, Albert Graef <aggraef at gmail.com>
>> escreveu:
>>
>>> Also, as Alexandre mentioned, it makes sense for his cyclone and ELSE to
>>> stabilize a bit before we attempt to port them over.
>>>
>>
>> Cyclone should be stable, specially now with the last release I plan to
>> do this month
>>
>>
>>
>>> Then there's the issue of backward compatibility with legacy cyclone
>>> applications that needs some thought. Right now, people can still run many
>>> of their old patches that they used to run with classic pd-l2ork or
>>> pd-extended with Purr Data, and we'd like to keep it that way. I'm not sure
>>> how compatible the latest cyclone still is with older versions. Alexandre,
>>> you should know, maybe you can shed some light on this?
>>>
>>
>> Cyclone is supposed to be backwards compatible, but there are minor
>> exceptions and issues specific to pd-l2ork/purr data, like the [coll]
>> object, which has a 2nd argument in pd-l2ork/purr data for the threaded
>> mode. The thing is that way back, still in MAX 4.0, a 2nd argument was
>> added to [coll] (and this was after Cyclone was developed). We included
>> this behaviour for proper and exact compatibility to MAX. So we created an
>> extra "@threaded" mode for [coll] and this was back in Cyclone 0.3 and this
>> matter was discussed at the time and mentioned to Ivica, I remember. This
>> seems to be the most complicated matter.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Maybe some of the tasks involved could be tackled in a future GSoC
>>>
>>
>> That would be great and I could get involved in that as some "mentor",
>> and also learn better from it how to adapt the GUI externals to nw.js and
>> also how to properly code GUIs in tcl/tk.
>>
>> cheers
>>
>>
>>
>>> but I wouldn't hold my breath for it. I'm tempted to look into it at
>>> some point, though. I've also been tossing around the idea to add another
>>> plugdata-like type of "light" build which would include cyclone and ELSE to
>>> mirror what's available in plugdata. That would be useful for those who
>>> might prefer Purr for development, but would also like to be able to run
>>> their patches as plugins via plugdata. I consider myself in that camp.
>>>
>>> Lots of tasks for the infinite TODO list (TM). ;-)
>>>
>>> Albert
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at 3:05 PM Linux ROUEN Normandie <
>>> linux.rouen at free.fr> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Jonathan and Albert,
>>>>
>>>> Is there any chance to have sooner or later available under Purr Data
>>>> (today with Pd-0.48.0 engine) the following 2 libraries ?
>>>> - Else <https://github.com/porres/pd-else> >= v.1.0 (this version
>>>> needs Pd Vanilla >= v.0.53-1)
>>>> - Cyclone <https://github.com/porres/pd-cyclone> (~ Max 7.3.5) >=
>>>> v.0.6.1 (this version needs Pd Vanilla >= v.0.52-1)
>>>> Today Cyclone (~ Max 4) in Purr Data is in a prehistorical version ~
>>>> 0.1 for years.
>>>>
>>>> Or at least the following 3 objects ?
>>>> - [else/keyboard] - this is a must to have for MIDI applications
>>>> - [else/sfont~] - a nice alternative to [fluid~]
>>>> - [else/midi] - an alternative to [cyclone/seq]
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>>> Best,
>>>> Joseph Gastelais
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>>>
>>>
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