[L2Ork-dev] Purr Data: Availability of Else and Cyclone libraries?

[Linux ROUEN Normandie]

Hello Alexandre,

Thank you for your answers and highlights.
I understand that we cannot use only Purr Data for MIDI applications 
(despite its very sexy HTML 5 GUI and 16 zoom levels) but also need to 
use Pure Data Vanilla and/or the newest PlugData if we want to benefit 
from Else + newest Cyclone objects.
I was reluctant with Pd but now as we can zoom on the patchs it's a 
little bit visually more flexible.

Best, Joseph
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Le 03/02/2023 à 19:21, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit :
> Em sex., 3 de fev. de 2023 às 14:56, Albert Graef <aggraef at gmail.com> 
> escreveu:
>
>     Also, as Alexandre mentioned, it makes sense for his cyclone and
>     ELSE to stabilize a bit before we attempt to port them over.
>
>
> Cyclone should be stable, specially now with the last release I plan 
> to do this month
>
>     Then there's the issue of backward compatibility with legacy
>     cyclone applications that needs some thought. Right now, people
>     can still run many of their old patches that they used to run with
>     classic pd-l2ork or pd-extended with Purr Data, and we'd like to
>     keep it that way. I'm not sure how compatible the latest cyclone
>     still is with older versions. Alexandre, you should know, maybe
>     you can shed some light on this?
>
>
> Cyclone is supposed to be backwards compatible, but there are minor 
> exceptions and issues specific to pd-l2ork/purr data, like the [coll] 
> object, which has a 2nd argument in pd-l2ork/purr data for the 
> threaded mode. The thing is that way back, still in MAX 4.0, a 2nd 
> argument was added to [coll] (and this was after Cyclone was 
> developed). We included this behaviour for proper and exact 
> compatibility to MAX. So we created an extra "@threaded" mode for 
> [coll] and this was back in Cyclone 0.3 and this matter was discussed 
> at the time and mentioned to Ivica, I remember. This seems to be the 
> most complicated matter.
>
>     Maybe some of the tasks involved could be tackled in a future GSoC
>
>
> That would be great and I could get involved in that as some "mentor", 
> and also learn better from it how to adapt the GUI externals to nw.js 
> and also how to properly code GUIs in tcl/tk.
>
> cheers
>
>     but I wouldn't hold my breath for it. I'm tempted to look into it
>     at some point, though. I've also been tossing around the idea to
>     add another plugdata-like type of "light" build which would
>     include cyclone and ELSE to mirror what's available in plugdata.
>     That would be useful for those who might prefer Purr for
>     development, but would also like to be able to run their patches
>     as plugins via plugdata. I consider myself in that camp.
>
>     Lots of tasks for the infinite TODO list (TM). ;-)
>
>     Albert
>
>
>     On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at 3:05 PM Linux ROUEN Normandie
>     <linux.rouen at free.fr> wrote:
>
>         Hello Jonathan and Albert,
>
>         Is there any chance to have sooner or later available under
>         Purr Data (today with Pd-0.48.0 engine) the following 2
>         libraries ?
>         - Else <https://github.com/porres/pd-else> >= v.1.0 (this
>         version needs Pd Vanilla >= v.0.53-1)
>         - Cyclone <https://github.com/porres/pd-cyclone> (~ Max 7.3.5)
>         >= v.0.6.1 (this version needs Pd Vanilla >= v.0.52-1)
>         Today Cyclone (~ Max 4) in Purr Data is in a prehistorical
>         version ~ 0.1 for years.
>
>         Or at least the following 3 objects ?
>         - [else/keyboard] - this is a must to have for MIDI applications
>         - [else/sfont~] - a nice alternative to [fluid~]
>         - [else/midi] - an alternative to [cyclone/seq]
>
>         Thank you.
>         - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>         Best,
>         Joseph Gastelais
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