[L2Ork-dev] Interested in 'General Midi Mad Dash'

Wed Apr 7 14:00:56 EDT 2021

The [pdcontrol] abstraction works similarly to, but not identically to the
Pd builtin. Differences:

1. Pd builtin has a "browse" method
2. Pd builtin allows "dir" method with no arguments

Also in Pd vanilla when you escape \$0 or any dollarsign value as an
argument it's passed to the abstraction without expanding, but apparently
not in Purr. And this affects how [pdcontrol] gets args.

On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 3:12 AM ishan kumar kaler <kumarkalerishan at gmail.com>
wrote:

> [Pdcontrol] object is inbuilt in Pd vanilla(works for me in Pd version
> 0.51.3). It was released in version 0.50 [Ref =
> http://msp.ucsd.edu/Pd_documentation/x5.htm]. Pdcontrol inbuilt object is
> unavailable in Purr data.
>
> Pdcontrol.pd patch, that Jonathan attached to this thread, works in Purr
> Data but not in Pd vanilla, due to the absence of [canvasinfo] in Pd
> vanilla.
>
> - Ishan
>
> On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 4:58 AM Matt Barber <brbrofsvl at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It wasn't inlet~ fwd – I remembered wrong. It was inlet~'s inlet, which
>> you can pass floats to in order to initialize from inside.
>>
>> I'll test pdcontrol tonight after my kids' bedtime. I'd still rather stay
>> up to date with the vanilla built-in when possible, but there might be good
>> reasons to avoid that in this iteration.
>>
>> Matt
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 6:06 PM Jonathan Wilkes <jon.w.wilkes at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Also-- I think I used my `[pdcontrol]` abstraction for something I
>>> posted on the Pd Forum, and none of the Pd Vanilla users noticed. So
>>> please test and if it seems to work we can roll it into the build
>>> monstrosity somewhere.
>>>
>>> One question-- how do we ship an abstraction as a core object? I
>>> suppose I could make a default-loaded lib named vanilla-compatible for
>>> stuff like this. But then if someone runs Purr without prefs the
>>> abstraction core objects wouldn't load by default.
>>>
>>> -Jonathan
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 6:02 PM Albert Graef <aggraef at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I think that inlet~ fwd was added in 2.13.0, released in Aug 2020 (
>>> https://github.com/agraef/purr-data/releases/tag/2.13.0). So it's been
>>> implemented for quite a while, at least if the changelogs aren't lying. ;-)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 8:35 PM Matt Barber <brbrofsvl at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> I might be wrong about inlet fwd. I'll look soon.
>>> >>
>>> >> MB
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, Apr 6, 2021, 1:30 PM Jonathan Wilkes <jon.w.wilkes at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 1:22 PM Matt Barber <brbrofsvl at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Hello, thanks for the questions.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > I would prefer that it be Pd-vanilla-with-no-externals compatible.
>>> That way it would have maximum usability but could still be included with
>>> Purr by default. There are a few updates in Pd that haven't yet AFAIK made
>>> it into Purr which could be very helpful, particularly [inlet~ fwd] and
>>> [pdcontrol], so getting those into the architecture could be part of this
>>> project.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> * `[inlet~ fwd]` wasn't in the last release of Purr Data, over a year
>>> >>> ago? If that's true, it will certainly be in the next release.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> * attached is an abstraction for pdcontrol. Could you check to see if
>>> >>> it actually works? If so we can just ship it with Purr Data
>>> >>>
>>> >>> -Jonathan
>>> >>>
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > MB
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > On Sun, Apr 4, 2021 at 2:33 AM ishan kumar kaler <
>>> kumarkalerishan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >>   Hi,
>>> >>> >>     Thanks for your generous advice. I'll submit a draft proposal
>>> for review asap specifying the framework. Besides that, I have some
>>> unsureness regarding project implementation details, namely, what Pd
>>> version we have to use in the project (pd-l2ork 2.x or pd vanilla)?  Along
>>> with core vanilla objects, should we use objects from external libraries
>>> (let's say [drunk] from cyclone)?
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> Best regards,
>>> >>> >> Ishan
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> On Sun, Apr 4, 2021 at 1:06 AM Matt Barber <brbrofsvl at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> Welcome! Since this is Pd Vanilla only, you'll want to
>>> familiarize yourself asap with abstractions and the [clone] object. Also,
>>> the framework for storing, loading, selecting, and playing will be more
>>> important than actually completing all of the synths. Be sure to include
>>> how you might tackle this framework in your proposal.
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> Matt
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 4:04 PM ishan kumar kaler <
>>> kumarkalerishan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>> >>>>
>>> >>> >>>>   Hi,
>>> >>> >>>>     I have created Synth from VSTs in the past. As far as
>>> Pure-data is concerned, I have created some basic synths using AM/FM
>>> Synthesis and effects. I'm readily exploring more on the go.
>>> >>> >>>>
>>> >>> >>>> Best regards,
>>> >>> >>>> Ishan
>>> >>> >>>>
>>> >>> >>>> On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 10:59 PM Jonathan Wilkes <
>>> jon.w.wilkes at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>> >>>>>
>>> >>> >>>>> On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 12:54 PM ishan kumar kaler
>>> >>> >>>>> <kumarkalerishan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>> >>>>> >
>>> >>> >>>>> > Hello everyone,
>>> >>> >>>>> >            My name is Ishan and I am CS Undergrad. I have
>>> done few development projects until now and have some Open Source
>>> Experience. I have an interest in music production and some experience in
>>> sound synthesis.
>>> >>> >>>>> >
>>> >>> >>>>> > I'm interested in contributing to the Purr Data project and
>>> working on the project 'General Midi Library'.
>>> >>> >>>>> >
>>> >>> >>>>> > In the past, I have worked with DAWs and VSTs and have some
>>> experience with Pure Data also. I'm currently exploring Purr Data in-depth
>>> and familiarizing myself with the codebase while making contributions all
>>> along.
>>> >>> >>>>> >
>>> >>> >>>>> > I wish to ask if there's an IRC channel alongside the
>>> mailing list, as I couldn't find one. I'll be more than happy to have
>>> suggestions from you all :)
>>> >>> >>>>> >
>>> >>> >>>>> > Best regards,
>>> >>> >>>>> > Ishan
>>> >>> >>>>>
>>> >>> >>>>> Hello Ishan,
>>> >>> >>>>>
>>> >>> >>>>> Welcome!
>>> >>> >>>>>
>>> >>> >>>>> We don't have a chat channel atm, but you're welcome to ask any
>>> >>> >>>>> questions here on the mailing list.
>>> >>> >>>>>
>>> >>> >>>>> As for the project-- have you built any software synths before?
>>> >>> >>>>>
>>> >>> >>>>> Best,
>>> >>> >>>>> Jonathan
>>> >>> >>>>>
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