[L2Ork-dev] upcoming: 2.14.1

Fri Sep 18 17:12:46 EDT 2020

Okay, currently building 2.14.1 which includes Albert's bookmarking
feature in the doc browser.

Just for the state of things-- my dev laptop bit the dust recently,
and my little rpi3 and mac mini aren't keeping up with CI very well.
I'm about to overhaul my machines, getting a new laptop, an RPI4 and a
little x86 mini. Once I get set up with that we should be back in a
"somewhat" sane build and release schedule.

At that point I'll work with Sam and see if we can possibly get some
of the runners using the docker executor to take advantage of some of
his speedup improvements.

Best,
Jonathan

On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 1:29 PM Jonathan Wilkes <jon.w.wilkes at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> It doesn't matter to me what the shortcut is for the menu option to
> turn this on/off, just that it's `<tab>` and `<shift-tab>` to cycle
> through focusable objects.
>
> -Jonathan
>
> On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 12:54 PM Ivica Ico Bukvic <ico at vt.edu> wrote:
> >
> > What about ctrl+alt+delete ;-)
> >
> > Kidding aside, I agree. Even alt+tab is problematic, and ctrl+tab may be, as well if OSX captures those OS-wide before they propagate into applications. That leaves us with exactly what you suggested.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Ico
> >
> > On 9/18/2020 12:46 PM, Albert Graef wrote:
> >
> > Whatever you use, *not* Alt as modifier please, as that's our new temporary runmode key. :) So no Ctrl+Alt+Tab, sorry Ico.
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 6:44 PM Albert Graef <aggraef at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Ctrl+Shift+Tab sounds good, and looking at our menu shortcuts, Ctrl+T should still be available as well.
> >>
> >> In any case, switchable tab navigation of the canvas would be awesome to have, in both editmode and runmode.
> >>
> >> Which reminds me that tab navigation of the help browser is broken (old bug), I think I'll better look into that today and see whether I can still get it fixed in time for 2.14.1.
> >>
> >> Albert
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 6:22 PM Ivica Ico Bukvic <ico at vt.edu> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 9/18/2020 12:05 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
> >>> > `<shift-tab>` navigates backwards.
> >>>
> >>> And pressing \ should create such a character and delete should delete
> >>> things but in pd neither work as the standard suggests. Yes, there are
> >>> standards, and then there are contextual needs. Sure shift-tab may not
> >>> be the best example but we can come up with a different 2/3/4-finger
> >>> salute to make this easier to access.
> >>>
> >>> ctrl+shift+tab?
> >>> ctrl+alt+tab?
> >>>
> >>> Pick your poison...
> >>>
> >>> Creating a message just to toggle this behavior on and off puts us
> >>> exactly in the same place where we are trying to get out of in respect
> >>> to the keyboard focus...
> >>>
> >>> >
> >>> > Also, regular old `<tab>` is key to discoverability. This is the way
> >>> > tab focus works in all modern systems. We just need a shortcut for the
> >>> > menu option to toggle it on/off.
> >>> >
> >>> > -Jonathan
> >>> >
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 11:06 AM Ivica Ico Bukvic <ico at vt.edu> wrote:
> >>> >>>> On 9/18/2020 11:03 AM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
> >>> >>>>> On 9/18/2020 10:49 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>> Tab could be also used in run mode for some activity (as it is in L2Ork
> >>> >>>>>> Tweeter, for instance) and hijacking it would interrupt the interaction
> >>> >>>>>> flow.
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> There's a huge usability boon to allowing the user to change focus
> >>> >>>>>> using tab in runmode, just as there is in a browser when filling out a
> >>> >>>>>> form. We need a simple way to allow the user to do this so that, for
> >>> >>>>>> example, they can traverse a column of gatoms to quickly update many
> >>> >>>>>> different values. That's been a recurring feature request in Vanilla,
> >>> >>>>>> and users go to a lot of trouble hacking the GUI->Pd system in order
> >>> >>>>>> to simulate it.
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> We could just add a "tabfocus" method to glists. When it's on tab can
> >>> >>>>>> be used to traverse focus of gui elements with the keyboard. I'd argue
> >>> >>>>>> to have it on by default.
> >>> >>>>> I don't disagree that it would not be potentially useful. However, how
> >>> >>>>> would you prevent it from adversely affecting the aforesaid scenario?
> >>> >>>>> Perhaps press shift+tab to get started and then you get exclusive
> >>> >>>>> focus in this mode and freely tab by pressing just tab until you Esc
> >>> >>>>> out of it? I could see that being useful. Plain tab to enter it would
> >>> >>>>> result in a lot of unwanted positives.
> >>> >>>> That last sentence did not sound right. I meant "false positives" but
> >>> >>>> you probably already got that :-)
> >>> >>>>
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> >>> >> Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A.
> >>> >> Director, Creativity + Innovation
> >>> >> Co-Director, Human Centered Design iPhD
> >>> >> Institute for Creativity, Arts, and Technology
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Virginia Tech
> >>> >> Creative Technologies in Music
> >>> >> School of Performing Arts – 0141
> >>> >> Blacksburg, VA 24061
> >>> >> (540) 231-6139
> >>> >> ico at vt.edu
> >>> >>
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> >>> >>
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> >>> Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A.
> >>> Director, Creativity + Innovation
> >>> Co-Director, Human Centered Design iPhD
> >>> Institute for Creativity, Arts, and Technology
> >>>
> >>> Virginia Tech
> >>> Creative Technologies in Music
> >>> School of Performing Arts – 0141
> >>> Blacksburg, VA 24061
> >>> (540) 231-6139
> >>> ico at vt.edu
> >>>
> >>> www.icat.vt.edu
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> >>> ico.bukvic.net
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> >>
> >>
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> >> Dr. Albert Gr"af
> >> Computer Music Research Group, JGU Mainz, Germany
> >> Email: aggraef at gmail.com, web: https://agraef.github.io/
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Dr. Albert Gr"af
> > Computer Music Research Group, JGU Mainz, Germany
> > Email: aggraef at gmail.com, web: https://agraef.github.io/
> >
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> > Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A.
> > Director, Creativity + Innovation
> > Co-Director, Human Centered Design iPhD
> > Institute for Creativity, Arts, and Technology
> >
> > Virginia Tech
> > Creative Technologies in Music
> > School of Performing Arts – 0141
> > Blacksburg, VA 24061
> > (540) 231-6139
> > ico at vt.edu
> >
> > www.icat.vt.edu
> > www.performingarts.vt.edu
> > l2ork.icat.vt.edu
> > ico.bukvic.net
> >
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