[L2Ork-dev] upcoming: 2.14.1

Jonathan Wilkes jon.w.wilkes at gmail.com
Fri Sep 18 11:16:15 EDT 2020

> However, how would you prevent it from adversely affecting the aforesaid scenario?

It's a boolean canvas method, so you turn it off if you don't want
that behavior (opt out).

"tabfocus 1" -> canvas = navigate iemguis, gatom, etc in runmode using tab
"tabfocus 0" -> canvas = don't do that

Having it be on by default would be nice because the user can click
`<tab>` to discover that it works to focus gui objects in runmode.

Downside would be that it breaks patches that currently use `<tab>`.
But if we have an "Edit" menu option for it unbreaking them is easily
discoverable, too.

Finally, patches that want their own `<tab>` behavior can turn it off
the tabfocus by calling the method "tabfocus 0" directly with


On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 11:06 AM Ivica Ico Bukvic <ico at vt.edu> wrote:
> On 9/18/2020 11:03 AM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
> > On 9/18/2020 10:49 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
> >
> >>> Tab could be also used in run mode for some activity (as it is in L2Ork
> >> Tweeter, for instance) and hijacking it would interrupt the interaction
> >> flow.
> >>
> >> There's a huge usability boon to allowing the user to change focus
> >> using tab in runmode, just as there is in a browser when filling out a
> >> form. We need a simple way to allow the user to do this so that, for
> >> example, they can traverse a column of gatoms to quickly update many
> >> different values. That's been a recurring feature request in Vanilla,
> >> and users go to a lot of trouble hacking the GUI->Pd system in order
> >> to simulate it.
> >>
> >> We could just add a "tabfocus" method to glists. When it's on tab can
> >> be used to traverse focus of gui elements with the keyboard. I'd argue
> >> to have it on by default.
> >
> > I don't disagree that it would not be potentially useful. However, how
> > would you prevent it from adversely affecting the aforesaid scenario?
> > Perhaps press shift+tab to get started and then you get exclusive
> > focus in this mode and freely tab by pressing just tab until you Esc
> > out of it? I could see that being useful. Plain tab to enter it would
> > result in a lot of unwanted positives.
> That last sentence did not sound right. I meant "false positives" but
> you probably already got that :-)
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