[L2Ork-dev] Unifying GUI toolkit versions

Marco Donnarumma lists at marcodonnarumma.com
Wed Apr 4 03:26:10 EDT 2018


Hey all,

thanks for your input on the motivations behind this, I can see what you
mean, and have no intention to be a showstopper :)
Just wanted to merely rise this for consideration.

I generally get 5 people out of 10 running either old windozOS or old
MacOS, but that's also because I explicitly aim my workshops at either
beginners,
or people who's expert in say, dance or theater, but has no idea about how
a computer could be useful to their practice.

And yes, I have been trying to have people using Linux portable distro, but
that unfortunately ends up only adding overhead work.
Installation is fast, but people doesn't get used to a new OS in a few
hours, so eventually it's more problematic than letting them using their
(slow) machines.

That said, I understand your viewpoint, and indeed, makes sense! :)

cheers,
M

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On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 11:17 AM, Albert Graef <aggraef at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 9:29 PM, Jonathan Wilkes <jon.w.wilkes at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > But even my refurbished Lenovo X60
> > only lasted about 5 years, and that's probably the most resilient
> > commodity PC laptop I've ever seen.
>
> Yeah, many of those old Thinkpads are built like tanks. ;-) But
> personally, I wouldn't dare to put WinXP on *anything* that's
> connected to the Internet these days, and I haven't seen it on any
> student computers for quite a few years now. Marco, do you have a
> ballpark figure what percentage of your students are still running XP?
>
> I'm afraid that I have to side with Jonathan on this issue. We just
> can't support those legacy nw.js versions any longer. Yes, there are
> some ugly workarounds in the code which make Purr Data harder to
> maintain, and it's sometimes hard to assess whether bugs are due to
> our code or some quirks in a legacy version of the toolkit. But the
> main issue at stake here is *security*. We're running a version of
> Chromium there, and that needs to be patched up quite frequently. We
> don't want Purr Data to become a security headache for people just
> because we don't update our Chromium engine. And there's simply no
> leeway to make the transition more smoothly, it's a binary decision at
> this point, because we're already using the very latest nw.js versions
> that will work on these legacy systems at all. In fact, Jonathan has
> been warning that this day *will* come quite a few times already.
>
> I'd say that we should get on with it. If anything, we should actually
> update our nw.js engine much more frequently, at the very least with
> every point release. Marco, I perfectly understand your concerns.
> Students sometimes just have to use older computers. But that doesn't
> mean that they still have to run XP. There's always the possibility to
> use a reasonably recent Linux distribution instead. It doesn't cost
> anything (except the time and brain activity needed to set it up), it
> will be a much more secure system and it will also run Purr Data much
> better than XP.
>
> Albert
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