<div dir="auto"><div>Looks like translation for the k12 mode in the File menu is missing. It is the "undefined" option that is checked. When you start with pd-l2ork-k12 and create the new patch, do you immediately get k12 menu on the left side of the new patch?<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">This mode is for beginners, so it prevents access to more advanced options and allows creation of only k12 objects. This is the reason why it is still included.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">For the abstractions where you see their name, this is because pd-l2ork draws objects inside of the abstraction window *even* if they are only partially visible, and then the frame on top of them together with the abstraction name, whereas vanilla and purr-data draw this in reverse (frame and name first, then objects, only if they fully fit inside the frame), thus the abstraction names are hidden by objects drawn inside the abstraction. You can always simply hide the abstraction name. This is what this option is for. Hope this helps.<br><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">Best,<br><br>Ico<br><br>-- <br>Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A.<br>Director, Creativity + Innovation<br>Institute for Creativity, Arts, and Technology<br><br>Virginia Tech<br>Creative Technologies in Music<br>School of Performing Arts – 0141<br>Blacksburg, VA 24061<br>(540) 231-6139<br><a href="mailto:ico@vt.edu">ico@vt.edu</a><br><br><a href="http://ci.icat.vt.edu">ci.icat.vt.edu</a><br><a href="http://l2ork.icat.vt.edu">l2ork.icat.vt.edu</a><br><a href="http://ico.bukvic.net">ico.bukvic.net</a></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Aug 24, 2023, 06:29 Linux Rouen Normandie <<a href="mailto:linux.rouen@free.fr">linux.rouen@free.fr</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Hello Ico,<br>
Thank you for your answers.<br>
Please see my comments here below in my original mail awa the 2
attached screen captures.<br>
Best,<br>
Joseph<br>
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<div>Le 24/08/2023 à 06:25, Ico Bukvic a
écrit :<br>
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<div>Hi Joseph,
<div dir="auto">Please see my comments below.<br>
<div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">Best,<br>
Ico<br>
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-- <br>
Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A.<br>
Director, Creativity + Innovation<br>
Institute for Creativity, Arts, and Technology<br>
<br>
Virginia Tech<br>
Creative Technologies in Music<br>
School of Performing Arts – 0141<br>
Blacksburg, VA 24061<br>
(540) 231-6139<br>
<a href="mailto:ico@vt.edu" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ico@vt.edu</a><br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 23, 2023,
21:27 Linux Rouen Normandie <<a href="mailto:linux.rouen@free.fr" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">linux.rouen@free.fr</a>>
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<div> Hello Ico,<br>
<br>
Thank you for releasing Pd-L2Ork-full-20230820, here
rev.8559baef-aarch64.deb.<br>
After downloading it from your web site, I just
installed it on my Raspberry Pi 400 running under
Raspberry Pi OS 11 (Bullseye) 32-bit.<br>
<br>
I really like your new 60-hz GUI.<br>
And it's still a little bit strange when you move back
and forth between Pure Data (Tcl/Tk) and Pd-L2Ork / Purr
Data (HTML5). From my user point of view, it would be
very nice to have into one application all the best of
them.<br>
<br>
After a quick test, I have detected few issues of which:<br>
1- GEM errors in the console (I'm not a GEM user yet):<br>
"""""<br>
GEM: image loading plugins: magick SGI STB jpeg tiff<br>
GEM: film loading plugins: MPEG3 aviplay gmerlin
quicktime4linux<br>
GEM: image saving plugins: SGI STB jpeg magick tiff<br>
GEM: model loading plugins: OBJ<br>
<i> error: [GEM:recordNDI] Please (re)install the
NewTek NDI Runtimes to use this plugin.</i><i><br>
</i><i>... click the link above to track it down, or
click the 'Find Last Error' item in the Edit menu.</i><i><br>
</i> error: need to find the library
'libndi.so.4'<br>
GEM: video record plugins: QT4L V4L V4L2<br>
<i> error: [GEM:videoNDI] Please (re)install the NewTek
NDI Runtimes to use this plugin.</i><i><br>
</i><i> error: need to find the library
'libndi.so.4'</i><i><br>
</i>GEM: video capture plugins: NDI dc1394 decklink v4l
v4l2<br>
"""""<br>
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<div dir="auto">This is benign. It just says that you don't have
support for some of the modules either because you don't have
that device or supporting libraries, or both. You can ignore
these.<br>
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<div dir="auto">A: Well, understood.<br>
<br>
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2- [fluid~]<br>
"""""<br>
error: fluid~: no method for 'gain'<br>
"""""<br>
I have tested both Pd-L2Ork-20230820 and
Purr-Data-2.19.3-20230725 with the same configuration on
the same RPi with the same Audio/MIDI patch, Purr Data
is okay but effectively no [gain( control with Pd-L2Ork.<br>
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<div dir="auto">Will need to investigate when this feature was
added and update my source. Should be a quick fix.<br>
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<div dir="auto">A: Good.<br>
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3- Launching Pd-L2Ork K12 still open (only) Pd-L2-Ork.<br>
Is a dedicated K12 version still current ?<br>
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<div dir="auto">You can now enable K12 mode in the File menu, or
just show the M12 menu in the Put menu. That said, are you
sure Pd-L2Ork starts in regular mode? Open a patch and see if
the K12 menu is available.<br>
<br>
A: In the File menu of both Pd-L2Ork Std and K12 there is a
K12 Demos entry, see here attached screen capture, but not a
K12 mode.<br>
Now I've effectively missed the K12 menu entry in the Put menu
which is really helpful for students. Clicking on it displays
on the left side of the patch window the K12 colored menu and
objects. Great!<br>
Q: So, is it making sense for having both Pd-L2Ork Std and K12
entries in the Audio & Video of the system Main menu?<br>
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4- I have also some minor issues with Abstractions (name
displayed) into GOP but it's needing further
investigations. Purr Data doesn't have them.<br>
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<div dir="auto">Let me know what you find and I will gladly
investigate.<br>
<br>
A: See here attached a screen capture highlighting the
differences between Pd-L2Ork and Purr Data.<br>
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<div> <br>
Best,<br>
Joseph Gastelais<br>
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<div>Le 22/08/2023 à 20:14, Ico Bukvic a écrit :<br>
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<div dir="ltr">All,
<div><br>
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<div>A new version is now up, fixing hopefully once
and for all graph-on-parent (GOP) issues with the
truly embedded GOP drawing available only in
pd-l2ork. There are also tons of little fixes and
improvements, including the array name color being
inverted based on the background color.</div>
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<div>You can fetch it from the usual link:</div>
<div><a href="https://bit.ly/pd-l2ork" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://bit.ly/pd-l2ork</a></div>
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<div>I would appreciate it if you would please
spread the word. Thanks.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Best,</div>
<div>Ico</div>
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Director, Creativity + Innovation
Director, Human-Centered Design iPhD
Institute for Creativity, Arts, and Technology
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Creative Technologies in Music
School of Performing Arts – 0141
Blacksburg, VA 24061
(540) 231-6139
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