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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 24/08/2023 Ã  16:51, Ico Bukvic a
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      <div dir="ltr">I just added a git commit for the fluid~ gain
        option and translation of the K12 menu option. This should be
        available in the next release.
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        <div>Best,</div>
        <div>Ico<br clear="all">
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                      <pre cols="72"><pre cols="72">-- 
Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A.
Director, Creativity + Innovation
Director, Human-Centered Design iPhD
Institute for Creativity, Arts, and Technology
</pre><pre cols="72">Virginia Tech
Creative Technologies in Music
School of Performing Arts â€“ 0141
Blacksburg, VA 24061
(540) 231-6139
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at
          9:06 AM Ico Bukvic <<a href="mailto:ico@vt.edu"
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            <div>Looks like translation for the k12 mode in the File
              menu is missing. It is the "undefined" option that is
              checked. When you start with pd-l2ork-k12 and create the
              new patch, do you immediately get k12 menu on the left
              side of the new patch?
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              <div dir="auto">This mode is for beginners, so it prevents
                access to more advanced options and allows creation of
                only k12 objects. This is the reason why it is still
                included.</div>
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              <div dir="auto">For the abstractions where you see their
                name, this is because pd-l2ork draws objects inside of
                the abstraction window *even* if they are only partially
                visible, and then the frame on top of them together with
                the abstraction name, whereas vanilla and purr-data draw
                this in reverse (frame and name first, then objects,
                only if they fully fit inside the frame), thus the
                abstraction names are hidden by objects drawn inside the
                abstraction. You can always simply hide the abstraction
                name. This is what this option is for. Hope this helps.<br>
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                <div dir="auto">Best,<br>
                  <br>
                  Ico<br>
                  <br>
                  -- <br>
                  Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A.<br>
                  Director, Creativity + Innovation<br>
                  Institute for Creativity, Arts, and Technology<br>
                  <br>
                  Virginia Tech<br>
                  Creative Technologies in Music<br>
                  School of Performing Arts â€“ 0141<br>
                  Blacksburg, VA 24061<br>
                  (540) 231-6139<br>
                  <a href="mailto:ico@vt.edu" target="_blank"
                    moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">ico@vt.edu</a><br>
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                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Aug 24, 2023,
                  06:29 Linux Rouen Normandie <<a
                    href="mailto:linux.rouen@free.fr" target="_blank"
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                  <div> Hello Ico,<br>
                    Thank you for your answers.<br>
                    Please see my comments here below in my original
                    mail awa the 2 attached screen captures.<br>
                    Best,<br>
                    Joseph<br>
                    = = = = = = = = = =<br>
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                    <div>Le 24/08/2023 Ã  06:25, Ico Bukvic a Ã©crit :<br>
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                        <div>Hi Joseph,
                          <div dir="auto">Please see my comments below.<br>
                            <div dir="auto">Best,<br>
                              Ico<br>
                              <br>
                              -- <br>
                              Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A.<br>
                              Director, Creativity + Innovation<br>
                              Institute for Creativity, Arts, and
                              Technology<br>
                              <br>
                              Virginia Tech<br>
                              Creative Technologies in Music<br>
                              School of Performing Arts â€“ 0141<br>
                              Blacksburg, VA 24061<br>
                              (540) 231-6139<br>
                              <a href="mailto:ico@vt.edu"
                                rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
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                            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed,
                              Aug 23, 2023, 21:27 Linux Rouen Normandie
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                              <div> Hello Ico,<br>
                                <br>
                                Thank you for releasing
                                Pd-L2Ork-full-20230820, here
                                rev.8559baef-aarch64.deb.<br>
                                After downloading it from your web site,
                                I just installed it on my Raspberry Pi
                                400 running under Raspberry Pi OS 11
                                (Bullseye) 32-bit.<br>
                                <br>
                                I really like your new 60-hz GUI.<br>
                                And it's still a little bit strange when
                                you move back and forth between Pure
                                Data (Tcl/Tk) and Pd-L2Ork / Purr Data
                                (HTML5). From my user point of view, it
                                would be very nice to have into one
                                application all the best of them.<br>
                                <br>
                                After a quick test, I have detected few
                                issues of which:<br>
                                1- GEM errors in the console (I'm not a
                                GEM user yet):<br>
                                """""<br>
                                GEM: image loading plugins: magick SGI
                                STB jpeg tiff<br>
                                GEM: film loading plugins: MPEG3 aviplay
                                gmerlin quicktime4linux<br>
                                GEM: image saving plugins: SGI STB jpeg
                                magick tiff<br>
                                GEM: model loading plugins: OBJ<br>
                                <i>  error: [GEM:recordNDI] Please
                                  (re)install the NewTek NDI Runtimes to
                                  use this plugin.</i><i><br>
                                </i><i>... click the link above to track
                                  it down, or click the 'Find Last
                                  Error' item in the Edit menu.</i><i><br>
                                </i> error:                need to find
                                the library 'libndi.so.4'<br>
                                GEM: video record plugins: QT4L V4L V4L2<br>
                                <i>  error: [GEM:videoNDI] Please
                                  (re)install the NewTek NDI Runtimes to
                                  use this plugin.</i><i><br>
                                </i><i>  error:                need to
                                  find the library 'libndi.so.4'</i><i><br>
                                </i>GEM: video capture plugins: NDI
                                dc1394 decklink v4l v4l2<br>
                                """""<br>
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                        <div dir="auto">This is benign. It just says
                          that you don't have support for some of the
                          modules either because you don't have that
                          device or supporting libraries, or both. You
                          can ignore these.<br>
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                        <div dir="auto">A: Well, understood.<br>
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                                2- [fluid~]<br>
                                """""<br>
                                error: fluid~: no method for 'gain'<br>
                                """""<br>
                                I have tested both Pd-L2Ork-20230820 and
                                Purr-Data-2.19.3-20230725 with the same
                                configuration on the same RPi with the
                                same Audio/MIDI patch, Purr Data is okay
                                but effectively no [gain( control with
                                Pd-L2Ork.<br>
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                        <div dir="auto">Will need to investigate when
                          this feature was added and update my source.
                          Should be a quick fix.<br>
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                        <div dir="auto">A: Good.<br>
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                                3- Launching Pd-L2Ork K12 still open
                                (only) Pd-L2-Ork.<br>
                                Is a dedicated K12 version still current
                                ?<br>
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                        <div dir="auto">You can now enable K12 mode in
                          the File menu, or just show the M12 menu in
                          the Put menu. That said, are you sure Pd-L2Ork
                          starts in regular mode? Open a patch and see
                          if the K12 menu is available.<br>
                          <br>
                          A: In the File menu of both Pd-L2Ork Std and
                          K12 there is a K12 Demos entry, see here
                          attached screen capture, but not a K12 mode.<br>
                          Now I've effectively missed the K12 menu entry
                          in the Put menu which is really helpful for
                          students. Clicking on it displays on the left
                          side of the patch window the K12 colored menu
                          and objects. Great!<br>
                          Q: So, is it making sense for having both
                          Pd-L2Ork Std and K12 entries in the Audio
                          & Video of the system Main menu?<br>
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                                4- I have also some minor issues with
                                Abstractions (name displayed) into GOP
                                but it's needing further investigations.
                                Purr Data doesn't have them.<br>
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                        <div dir="auto">Let me know what you find and I
                          will gladly investigate.<br>
                          <br>
                          A: See here attached a screen capture
                          highlighting the differences between Pd-L2Ork
                          and Purr Data.<br>
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                                Best,<br>
                                Joseph Gastelais<br>
                                = = = = = = = = = =<br>
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                                <div>Le 22/08/2023 Ã  20:14, Ico Bukvic a
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                                  <div dir="ltr">All,
                                    <div><br>
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                                    <div>A new version is now up, fixing
                                      hopefully once and for all
                                      graph-on-parent (GOP) issues with
                                      the truly embedded GOP drawing
                                      available only in pd-l2ork. There
                                      are also tons of little fixes and
                                      improvements, including the array
                                      name color being inverted based on
                                      the background color.</div>
                                    <div><br>
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                                    <div>You can fetch it from the usual
                                      link:</div>
                                    <div><a
                                        href="https://bit.ly/pd-l2ork"
                                        rel="noreferrer noreferrer"
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                                        class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://bit.ly/pd-l2ork</a></div>
                                    <div><br>
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                                    <div>I would appreciate it if you
                                      would please spread the word.
                                      Thanks.</div>
                                    <div><br>
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                                    <div>Best,</div>
                                    <div>Ico</div>
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                                                  <pre cols="72"><pre cols="72">-- 
Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A.
Director, Creativity + Innovation
Director, Human-Centered Design iPhD
Institute for Creativity, Arts, and Technology
</pre><pre cols="72">Virginia Tech
Creative Technologies in Music
School of Performing Arts â€“ 0141
Blacksburg, VA 24061
(540) 231-6139
<a href="mailto:ico@vt.edu" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">ico@vt.edu</a>

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