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    <p>really thank you ! <br>
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    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Jean-Christophe Sekinger
19 rue des Pontets, Bordeaux 33000
06 82 09 82 02 / 09 52 12 95 32
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://jc-sekinger.fr/">https://jc-sekinger.fr/</a>
(bépo et Ubuntu)</pre>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 11/08/2022 à 23:35, Jonathan Wilkes
      a écrit :<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CAOA7yC5q8QdTmLs2C_SePauC_gBHVY+NG=+tJpOp_mKTHRxYPA@mail.gmail.com">
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        <div>Note-- I just tested using the menu shortcuts in Electron,
          which is a much more popular HTML5 toolkit than nw.js.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>BÉPO shortcut of "ctrl+1" does not work there, either. So
          this might be a hard-coded limitation of Chromium that won't
          change.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>-Jonathan<br>
        </div>
      </div>
      <br>
      <div class="gmail_quote">
        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 2:11
          AM Jonathan Wilkes <<a href="mailto:jon.w.wilkes@gmail.com"
            moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">jon.w.wilkes@gmail.com</a>>
          wrote:<br>
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            <div class="gmail_quote">
              <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at
                1:16 AM Jean-Christophe Sekinger <<a
                  href="mailto:jc.sekinger@free.fr" target="_blank"
                  moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">jc.sekinger@free.fr</a>>
                wrote:<br>
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                  <p>Thank you again ! <br>
                  </p>
                  <p>couldn’t I use my numpad for those five first items
                    in the add menu — with fn+number ? (my keyboard is
                    this one → <a
href="http://typematrix.com/bepo/view_closeup.php?l=&t=keyb&id=0"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://typematrix.com/bepo/view_closeup.php?l=&t=keyb&id=0</a>)<br>
                  </p>
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              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>For numpad keys you should be able to use "Numpad1",
                "Numpad2", etc.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>But I don't even see your keyboard style listed on
                the W3C KeyboardEvent code value reference[1]. Maybe fn
                is handled internally by the keyboard firmware before
                the keystroke gets sent to the OS? No idea, so you're on
                your own there.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>-Jonathan<br>
              </div>
              <div> </div>
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                  <p> </p>
                  <pre cols="72">Jean-Christophe Sekinger
19 rue des Pontets, Bordeaux 33000
06 82 09 82 02 / 09 52 12 95 32
<a href="https://jc-sekinger.fr/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://jc-sekinger.fr/</a>
(bépo et Ubuntu)</pre>
                  <div>Le 10/08/2022 à 01:49, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit :<br>
                  </div>
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                        <div class="gmail_attr">It appears this is a
                          limitation/bug in the GUI toolkit. For
                          whatever reason it does not currently allow
                          ASCII 34 (double quote) to be used as a
                          shortcut. Unfortunately, on your French
                          keyboard that is what the physical "digit1"
                          key maps to on.</div>
                        <div class="gmail_attr"><br>
                        </div>
                        <div class="gmail_attr">Same problem with every
                          other key, except digit8 which is your minus
                          key. So you currently have one number key you
                          can use for a shortcut-- make sure to use it
                          wisely :)</div>
                        <div class="gmail_attr"><br>
                        </div>
                        <div class="gmail_attr">We'll see if the author
                          of the toolkit can fix this. Otherwise I have
                          to create a workaround specifically for your
                          French keyboard.</div>
                        <div class="gmail_attr"><br>
                        </div>
                        <div class="gmail_attr">-Jonathan<br>
                        </div>
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                        </div>
                        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 9,
                          2022 at 6:25 PM Jonathan Wilkes <<a
                            href="mailto:jon.w.wilkes@gmail.com"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                            class="moz-txt-link-freetext">jon.w.wilkes@gmail.com</a>>
                          wrote:<br>
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                            <div>Are you pressing it **without** any
                              modifiers?</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>If so-- try the modifiers, too-- shift,
                              ctrl, etc.</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>It works here **without** any
                              modifiers.</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>-Jonathan<br>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <br>
                          <div class="gmail_quote">
                            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue,
                              Aug 9, 2022 at 3:57 PM Jean-Christophe
                              Sekinger <<a
                                href="mailto:jc.sekinger@free.fr"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                                class="moz-txt-link-freetext">jc.sekinger@free.fr</a>>
                              wrote:<br>
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                              style="margin:0px 0px 0px
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                                <p>The shortcut name [1] appeared in the
                                  "add" menu /but/ nothing is created
                                  with the key… <br>
                                </p>
                                <p>encore du courage !?  <br>
                                </p>
                                <p>merci !<br>
                                </p>
                                <p><br>
                                </p>
                                <pre cols="72">Jean-Christophe Sekinger
19 rue des Pontets, Bordeaux 33000
06 82 09 82 02 / 09 52 12 95 32
<a href="https://jc-sekinger.fr/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://jc-sekinger.fr/</a>
(bépo et Ubuntu)</pre>
                                <div>Le 09/08/2022 à 20:23, Jonathan
                                  Wilkes a écrit :<br>
                                </div>
                                <blockquote type="cite">
                                  <div dir="ltr">
                                    <div>Ok, try this:</div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div><span>"object": { key: "Digit1"
                                        },</span></div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>Let me know if that works
                                      **without** any modifiers.<br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>-Jonathan<br>
                                    </div>
                                  </div>
                                  <div dir="ltr">
                                    <div dir="ltr">On Tue, Aug 9, 2022
                                      at 1:21 AM Jean-Christophe
                                      Sekinger <<a
                                        href="mailto:jc.sekinger@free.fr"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        class="moz-txt-link-freetext">jc.sekinger@free.fr</a>>
                                      wrote:<br>
                                    </div>
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                                        style="margin:0px 0px 0px
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                                          <p>Thank you…</p>
                                          <ol>
                                            <li>the shortcut name
                                              disappears from the "add"
                                              menu</li>
                                            <li>the object in not
                                              created with the key ["]</li>
                                          </ol>
                                          <p>:/</p>
                                        </div>
                                      </blockquote>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div> </div>
                                      <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
                                        style="margin:0px 0px 0px
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                                          <p>so much complicated than I
                                            thougt… <br>
                                          </p>
                                          <p><br>
                                          </p>
                                          <pre cols="72">Jean-Christophe Sekinger
19 rue des Pontets, Bordeaux 33000
06 82 09 82 02 / 09 52 12 95 32
<a href="https://jc-sekinger.fr/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://jc-sekinger.fr/</a>
(bépo et Ubuntu)</pre>
                                          <div>Le 08/08/2022 à 18:05,
                                            Jonathan Wilkes a écrit :<br>
                                          </div>
                                          <blockquote type="cite">
                                            <div dir="ltr">
                                              <div>Okay.</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>So what happens if
                                                you try changing the
                                                first shortcut to this:</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div> <span>"object": {
                                                  key: '"' },</span></div>
                                              <div><span><br>
                                                </span></div>
                                              <div><span>Expected
                                                  behavior: you can type
                                                  this:</span></div>
                                              <div><span>"</span></div>
                                              <div><span>with *no*
                                                  modifiers and it will
                                                  create an empty box</span></div>
                                              <div><span><br>
                                                </span></div>
                                              <div><span>What behavior
                                                  do you get?</span></div>
                                              <div><span><br>
                                                </span></div>
                                              <div><span>-Jonathan<br>
                                                </span></div>
                                              <div><span><br>
                                                </span></div>
                                              <div><span><br>
                                                </span> </div>
                                            </div>
                                            <br>
                                            <div class="gmail_quote">
                                              <div dir="ltr"
                                                class="gmail_attr">On
                                                Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 1:54
                                                AM Jean-Christophe
                                                Sekinger <<a
                                                  href="mailto:jc.sekinger@free.fr"
                                                  target="_blank"
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">jc.sekinger@free.fr</a>> wrote:<br>
                                              </div>
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                                                style="margin:0px 0px
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                                                  <p>that is the tool I
                                                    was looking for !
                                                    thank you</p>
                                                  <p>the output for each
                                                    of the five first
                                                    keys off the "add"
                                                    menu is here:</p>
                                                  <p><a
                                                      href="https://pastebin.com/SCzakDSV"
                                                      target="_blank"
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://pastebin.com/SCzakDSV</a></p>
                                                  <p><br>
                                                  </p>
                                                  <pre cols="72">Jean-Christophe Sekinger
19 rue des Pontets, Bordeaux 33000
06 82 09 82 02 / 09 52 12 95 32
<a href="https://jc-sekinger.fr/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://jc-sekinger.fr/</a>
(bépo et Ubuntu)</pre>
                                                  <div>Le 07/08/2022 à
                                                    19:42, Jonathan
                                                    Wilkes a écrit :<br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <blockquote
                                                    type="cite">
                                                    <div dir="ltr">
                                                      <div>Oh, also:</div>
                                                      <div><br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>1. make sure
                                                        "keypress" is
                                                        **unchecked**</div>
                                                      <div><br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>2. make sure
                                                        "classic",
                                                        "modifiers", and
                                                        "DOM3" are
                                                        **checked**</div>
                                                      <div><br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>-Jonathan<br>
                                                      </div>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <br>
                                                    <div
                                                      class="gmail_quote">
                                                      <div dir="ltr"
                                                        class="gmail_attr">On
                                                        Sun, Aug 7, 2022
                                                        at 1:41 PM
                                                        Jonathan Wilkes
                                                        <<a
                                                          href="mailto:jon.w.wilkes@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">jon.w.wilkes@gmail.com</a>>
                                                        wrote:<br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <blockquote
                                                        class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
                                                        rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                                                        <div dir="ltr">
                                                          <div>Use this:</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><a
                                                          href="https://unixpapa.com/js/testkey.html"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://unixpapa.com/js/testkey.html</a></div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Press
                                                          that key and
                                                          **only** that
                                                          key and
                                                          release it
                                                          before
                                                          autorepeat
                                                          happens.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Do not
                                                          press any
                                                          modifiers or
                                                          any other
                                                          keys.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Then copy
                                                          the output
                                                          from that
                                                          textarea and
                                                          post it here.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>-Jonathan<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <br>
                                                        <div
                                                          class="gmail_quote">
                                                          <div dir="ltr"
class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 7, 2022 at 1:32 AM Jean-Christophe
                                                          Sekinger <<a
href="mailto:jc.sekinger@free.fr" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">jc.sekinger@free.fr</a>> wrote:<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
                                                          rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p>thank you
                                                          (very much)</p>
                                                          <p>as I
                                                          already said
                                                          it does npt
                                                          work (and in
                                                          the app, the
                                                          shortcut is
                                                          not displayed
                                                          any more…)</p>
                                                          <p>I really
                                                          does not
                                                          understand why
                                                          it is working
                                                          in pd vanilla
                                                          (not only in
                                                          azerty or in
                                                          qwerty : in
                                                          bepo too)</p>
                                                          <p>have you
                                                          any other idea
                                                          ? (the
                                                          Typematrix
                                                          keyboard has a
                                                          numlock too)<br>
                                                          </p>
                                                          <pre cols="72">Jean-Christophe Sekinger
19 rue des Pontets, Bordeaux 33000
06 82 09 82 02 / 09 52 12 95 32
<a href="https://jc-sekinger.fr/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://jc-sekinger.fr/</a>
(bépo et Ubuntu)</pre>
                                                          <div>Le
                                                          07/08/2022 à
                                                          01:02,
                                                          Jonathan
                                                          Wilkes a
                                                          écrit :<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          type="cite">
                                                          <div dir="ltr">
                                                          <div>What
                                                          about this:</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>"object":
                                                          { key: '"',
                                                          modifiers:
                                                          "shift" },</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>-Jonathan<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_quote">
                                                          <div dir="ltr"
class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 3:28 PM Jean-Christophe
                                                          Sekinger <<a
href="mailto:jc.sekinger@free.fr" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">jc.sekinger@free.fr</a>> wrote:<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
                                                          rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p>I would
                                                          like to use it
                                                          as in puredata
                                                          vanilla :
                                                          shift+" (=1)</p>
                                                          <p><img
                                                          src="cid:part1.zFKKyMwj.0V8AWIXp@free.fr"
                                                          alt=""
                                                          class=""></p>
                                                          <pre cols="72">Jean-Christophe Sekinger
19 rue des Pontets, Bordeaux 33000
06 82 09 82 02 / 09 52 12 95 32
<a href="https://jc-sekinger.fr/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://jc-sekinger.fr/</a>
(bépo et Ubuntu)</pre>
                                                          <div>Le
                                                          06/08/2022 à
                                                          19:13,
                                                          Jonathan
                                                          Wilkes a
                                                          écrit :<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          type="cite">
                                                          <div dir="ltr">
                                                          <div>Are you
                                                          pressing that
                                                          key without
                                                          any modifiers
                                                          like ctrl and
                                                          shift?</div>
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                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>-Jonathan<br>
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class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 12:36 PM Jean-Christophe
                                                          Sekinger <<a
href="mailto:jc.sekinger@free.fr" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">jc.sekinger@free.fr</a>> wrote:<br>
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                                                          <p>anybody ?<br>
                                                          </p>
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(bépo et Ubuntu)</pre>
                                                          <div>Le
                                                          04/08/2022 à
                                                          07:16,
                                                          Jean-Christophe
                                                          Sekinger a
                                                          écrit :<br>
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                                                          <p>thanks</p>
                                                          <p>doesn’t
                                                          work</p>
                                                          <p>part of the
                                                          output with
                                                          xev
                                                          (absolutely
                                                          don’t
                                                          understand it
                                                          — exept
                                                          "KeyPress
                                                          event") when I
                                                          press
                                                          [shift]+["]<br>
                                                          </p>
                                                          <pre>KeyPress event, serial 37, synthetic NO, window 0x1400001,
    root 0x1e2, subw 0x0, time 2435198, (289,93), root:(2209,157),
    state 0x10, keycode 50 (keysym 0xffe1, Shift_L), same_screen YES,
    XLookupString gives 0 bytes: 
    XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes: 
    XFilterEvent returns: False

KeyPress event, serial 37, synthetic NO, window 0x1400001,
    root 0x1e2, subw 0x0, time 2435965, (289,93), root:(2209,157),
    state 0x11, keycode 10 (keysym 0x31, 1), same_screen YES,
    XLookupString gives 1 bytes: (31) "1"
    XmbLookupString gives 1 bytes: (31) "1"
    XFilterEvent returns: False

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                                                          <pre cols="72">Jean-Christophe Sekinger
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                                                          <div>Le
                                                          04/08/2022 à
                                                          07:10,
                                                          Jonathan
                                                          Wilkes a
                                                          écrit :<br>
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                                                          <pre>Maybe

"object": { key: "1", modifiers: "shift" },

or

"object": { key: '"', modifiers: "shift" },

-Jonathan


On Thu, Aug 4, 2022 at 12:49 AM Jean-Christophe Sekinger
<a href="mailto:jc.sekinger@free.fr" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><jc.sekinger@free.fr></a> wrote:
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                                                          <pre>thank you

doesn’t work, neither

"object": { key: '"', modifiers: cmd_or_ctrl },

I would use these key with Shift (not ctrl)
the add menu shows no key shortcut for "object"

any other solution ?


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(bépo et Ubuntu)

Le 03/08/2022 à 22:53, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit :

shift+"     (1, like in puredata vanilla)

Okay, try changing the

"1"

to

'"'

-Jonathan

On Wed, Aug 3, 2022 at 4:17 PM Jean-Christophe Sekinger
<a href="mailto:jc.sekinger@free.fr" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><jc.sekinger@free.fr></a> wrote:

Press the key that you want to use for the shortcut for "Object" and
email it to me.

-Jonathan

shift+"     (1, like in puredata vanilla)

shift+«     (2…)

shift+»     (3…)

shift+(     (4…)

shift+)     (5…)

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