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    Hello Albert,<br>
    <br>
    Don't worry, be happy! :-)<br>
    <br>
    1. Wait & see until I or someone will find the culprit.<br>
    <br>
    2. Yeah! I just received a warning from my GNU/Linux OS for the
    v.2.15.1 update. :-)<br>
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    Thank you.<br>
    Best, Joseph<br>
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      Le 11/10/2020 à 22:06, Albert Graef a écrit :<br>
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          <div>Hi Joseph,</div>
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          <div>Thanks for your patience, and sorry for replying so late.</div>
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          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 4:53
            PM Linux ROUEN Normandie <<a
              href="mailto:linux.rouen@free.fr" moz-do-not-send="true">linux.rouen@free.fr</a>>
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              <div> 1. Under GNU/Linux when in EditMode, Purr Data is
                becoming totally unresponsive as well as my whole
                system, even if other applications are still running
                well in the background and I can move my mouse cursor on
                the screen, your suggested Ctrl+Alt+F1-to-F6 have no
                effect at all.<br>
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          <div>Well, I guess that we'll just have to wait until someone
            can reproduce this and tell us what the exact issue is (in
            case it's really related to Purr).<br>
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              <div> 2. I cannot access to your <a
href="https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/aggraef:/purr-data-git/xUbuntu_20.04/amd64/purr-data_2.15.0+git4683+bf8ba131-1_amd64.deb"
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                for testing your nw.js 0.28.1 update.<br>
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          <div>The OBS doesn't keep old builds, and I keep updating the
            preview channel all the time. So just go over to <a
href="https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/home:aggraef:purr-data-git/purr-data"
              moz-do-not-send="true">https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/home:aggraef:purr-data-git/purr-data</a>
            instead, click the Download link on the top of that page,
            and proceed to the download for Ubuntu (see the screenie
            below).</div>
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            <div>Currently, you'll find the 2.15.1 release candidate
              there. (Which will soon be available in the main channel
              and on my GH mirror as well, as soon as I'm done building
              the Windows packages.)<br>
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            <div>Best,</div>
            <div>Albert</div>
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              <div> I'm getting the following message translated from
                French: "Error 404 - This resource doesn't exist
                anymore!".<br>
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                Thanks. Best,<br>
                Joseph Gastelais<br>
                - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -<br>
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                Le 05/10/2020 à 09:35, Albert Graef a écrit :<br>
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                    <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Oct 5,
                      2020 at 3:40 AM Linux ROUEN Normandie <<a
                        href="mailto:linux.rouen@free.fr"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">linux.rouen@free.fr</a>>
                      wrote:<br>
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                      <div>But under LM20, the random freeze issues I'm
                        reporting happen *ONLY* when in *EditMode* and
                        *WITHOUT* the JACK server running and with
                        DSP=OFF!<br>
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                    That's weird. Is your LM20 box the only system where
                    this happens? I agree with Ico's assertion that
                    there's simply no way that Purr can take down an
                    entire system like this. But there's a first time
                    for everything...<br>
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                  <div class="gmail_quote">Next time please make sure
                    that you're running htop so that you can see it, and
                    check the cpu and ram usage when the freeze starts.
                    (You can also try whether you can still switch to
                    another Linux console and check cpu and ram usage
                    there.) Here are some things to look out for:</div>
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                  <div class="gmail_quote">1. If the ram usage is going
                    through the roof, then your system might be well
                    into swap memory, which can make it appear frozen.
                    (In that case you'll probably notice that a lot of
                    disk activity is going on as well.)<br>
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                  <div class="gmail_quote">2. If the cpu usage is 100%,
                    then there's a runaway process, and htop should tell
                    you which one it is. "purr-data" means that it's the
                    engine, "nw" means that it's the GUI, anything else
                    we can figure out when you post the executable name
                    here.</div>
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                  <div class="gmail_quote">3. If both cpu and ram usage
                    are normal, then keyboard and mouse might have been
                    grabbed by some program or a modal dialog hiding
                    beneath other windows, making your system
                    unresponsive to input but still chugging along. In
                    that case, try whether you can use something like
                    Ctrl+Alt+F2 to change to another Linux console (yes,
                    sometimes this will still work even if your system
                    is unresponsive to all other keyboard input), log in
                    from the console and run `sudo ps aux` to see which
                    processes are running and whether you notice
                    anything unusual there.<br>
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                        <div> For now, I will remain quiet on this
                          subject until I found a reproducible and
                          documented procedure...<br>
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                    <div>If you do, please open a new bug report on this
                      and provide as much information as you can,
                      thanks! My bet still is on a hardware or OS issue,
                      but, as the German saying goes, "one has seen
                      horses throw up in front of the pharmacy." ;-)<br>
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                    <div>Best,</div>
                    <div>Albert</div>
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                        <div> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -<br>
                          Best, Joseph Gastelais<br>
                          - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -<br>
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                          Le 05/10/2020 à 00:54, Ivica Bukvic a écrit :<br>
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                          <div dir="auto">Are you running a distro with
                            rt privileges (e.g. using a low latency
                            kernel)? Are you running Purr-Data with rt
                            privileges? If not, there is no way
                            Purr-Data is responsible for your hard
                            locks. If you are running rt/lowlatency
                            kernel, as per Albert, you should monitor
                            what you are running and observe when these
                            things happen. This will help narrow things
                            down.<br>
                            <br>
                            <div>Best,<br>
                              <br>
                              Ico<br>
                              <br>
                              -- <br>
                              Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A.<br>
                              Director, Creativity + Innovation<br>
                              Institute for Creativity, Arts, and
                              Technology<br>
                              <br>
                              Virginia Tech<br>
                              Creative Technologies in Music<br>
                              School of Performing Arts – 0141<br>
                              Blacksburg, VA 24061<br>
                              (540) 231-6139<br>
                              <a href="mailto:ico@vt.edu"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ico@vt.edu</a><br>
                              <br>
                              <a href="http://www.icat.vt.edu"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.icat.vt.edu</a><br>
                              <a href="http://www.performingarts.vt.edu"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.performingarts.vt.edu</a><br>
                              <a href="http://l2ork.icat.vt.edu"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">l2ork.icat.vt.edu</a><br>
                              <a href="http://ico.bukvic.net"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ico.bukvic.net</a></div>
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                            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun,
                              Oct 4, 2020, 17:42 Linux ROUEN Normandie
                              <<a href="mailto:linux.rouen@free.fr"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">linux.rouen@free.fr</a>>
                              wrote:<br>
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                              <div> Hello Ico,<br>
                                <div><br>
                                  I'm spending most (+95%) of my
                                  computer time on GNU/Linux and not
                                  Windows (this one is just for testing
                                  purpose as still the majority of the
                                  PC users are on this OS).<br>
                                  Under Linux I never had BSOD but under
                                  Windows, even with the latest W10
                                  v2004, it's just an old friend of mine
                                  since W3.1! LOL<br>
                                  <br>
                                  When using Purr Data and my PC is
                                  totally freezing under Linux, my
                                  computer screen is still correctly
                                  displaying what it was doing. Even
                                  after ten minutes of total freeze I'm
                                  still and just able to move my mouse
                                  cursor but its clicks are inactive awa
                                  my keyboard. Moving my mouse over the
                                  icons of the System Dashboard normally
                                  displays information but in freeze
                                  state nothing at all. During addition
                                  tests, if other Audio and/or Video
                                  applications were running before total
                                  freeze, even if my PC became
                                  unresponsive these applications
                                  continue to run well (so neither Audio
                                  nor Video freeze). The only way I have
                                  for taking back the control of my PC
                                  is to force the shutdown of my
                                  computer with its On/Off button and
                                  I'm get nothing visible before
                                  closing.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  So, as I wrote one hour ago, one of
                                  the possibility is to record on disk
                                  the system activities to try to find
                                  out what could happen but this will
                                  depend of what was record just before
                                  the total freeze... Wait and see...<br>
                                  <br>
                                  - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
                                  -<br>
                                  Best, Joseph Gastelais<br>
                                  - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
                                  -<br>
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                                  Le 04/10/2020 à 20:14, Ivica Bukvic a
                                  écrit :<br>
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                                  <div dir="auto">To add to Albert's
                                    thorough email, I wonder if video
                                    acceleration in the chromium
                                    versions nw.js may be relying on may
                                    have something to do with this.
                                    Namely, I wonder if it invokes
                                    something incorrectly and/or the
                                    video driver is not handling such
                                    calls appropriately. If you get a
                                    blue screen dump before the computer
                                    reboots, it may be helpful to share
                                    that. The same may be also added to
                                    your system event log.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    <div>Best,<br>
                                      <br>
                                      Ico<br>
                                      <br>
                                      -- <br>
                                      Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A.<br>
                                      Director, Creativity + Innovation<br>
                                      Institute for Creativity, Arts,
                                      and Technology<br>
                                      <br>
                                      Virginia Tech<br>
                                      Creative Technologies in Music<br>
                                      School of Performing Arts – 0141<br>
                                      Blacksburg, VA 24061<br>
                                      (540) 231-6139<br>
                                      <a href="mailto:ico@vt.edu"
                                        rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">ico@vt.edu</a><br>
                                      <br>
                                      <a href="http://www.icat.vt.edu"
                                        rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">www.icat.vt.edu</a><br>
                                      <a
                                        href="http://www.performingarts.vt.edu"
                                        rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">www.performingarts.vt.edu</a><br>
                                      <a href="http://l2ork.icat.vt.edu"
                                        rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">l2ork.icat.vt.edu</a><br>
                                      <a href="http://ico.bukvic.net"
                                        rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">ico.bukvic.net</a></div>
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                                    <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On
                                      Sun, Oct 4, 2020, 07:50 Albert
                                      Graef <<a
                                        href="mailto:aggraef@gmail.com"
                                        rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
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                                        <div>Hi Joseph,</div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>there's a Windows package
                                          with Ico's fix here: <a
                                            href="https://git.purrdata.net/jwilkes/purr-data/-/jobs/22210"
                                            rel="noreferrer noreferrer"
                                            target="_blank"
                                            moz-do-not-send="true">https://git.purrdata.net/jwilkes/purr-data/-/jobs/22210</a></div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>A new release including
                                          this and a few other fixes
                                          will hopefully be out sometime
                                          next week.</div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>Also, I'm currently testing
                                          an update to nw.js 0.28.1
                                          (which fixes issues with the
                                          floating dialogs for some
                                          graphics cards under Windows).
                                          I doubt that this will cure
                                          your performance issues under
                                          Linux, but you never know
                                          until you've tried. ;-) If you
                                          want to give it a go, this is
                                          now available in the OBS
                                          preview channel; the Ubuntu
                                          20.04 package is at: <a
href="https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/aggraef:/purr-data-git/xUbuntu_20.04/amd64/purr-data_2.15.0+git4683+bf8ba131-1_amd64.deb"
                                            rel="noreferrer noreferrer"
                                            target="_blank"
                                            moz-do-not-send="true">https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/aggraef:/purr-data-git/xUbuntu_20.04/amd64/purr-data_2.15.0+git4683+bf8ba131-1_amd64.deb</a></div>
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                                          <div>I do need to find *a
                                            reproducible test procedure*
                                            which could record what is
                                            going wrong when both Purr
                                            Data and my PC are totally
                                            freezing.</div>
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                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>If your *entire system* is
                                          freezing and not just Purr
                                          Data, I'm beginning to wonder
                                          whether some hardware issue or
                                          some runaway process might be
                                          the root cause. It could be a
                                          faulty hardware component
                                          (RAM, harddisk, soundcard, usb
                                          peripherals, ...), or some
                                          driver misbehaving for old
                                          components that aren't
                                          properly supported any longer.
                                          That rarely happens in Linux,
                                          though, and in that case you'd
                                          probably see it with other
                                          demanding applications, too.</div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>Anyway, as you rightfully
                                          remarked, the first step in
                                          diagnosing such a problem
                                          would be to identify
                                          characteristics of situations
                                          in which these hiccups occur,
                                          such as heavy
                                          disk/usb/network/audio/graphics
                                          operations, or abnormally high
                                          CPU or RAM usage, and which
                                          applications and background
                                          jobs are running at the time.
                                          A monitoring program like htop
                                          should help to identify these,
                                          but you surely know this
                                          already. The venerable gkrellm
                                          (<a
                                            href="http://gkrellm.srcbox.net/"
                                            rel="noreferrer noreferrer"
                                            target="_blank"
                                            moz-do-not-send="true">http://gkrellm.srcbox.net/</a>)
                                          is another monitoring tool
                                          that I find so indispensable
                                          for checking system health a
                                          glance, that I use it not only
                                          on Linux, but on all of my
                                          Windows boxes, too.
                                          (Unfortunately, gkrellm hasn't
                                          been ported to macOS, as far
                                          as I know. But there's a
                                          similar open-source tool named
                                          XRG there, see <a
                                            href="https://gaucho.software/Products/XRG/"
                                            rel="noreferrer noreferrer"
                                            target="_blank"
                                            moz-do-not-send="true">https://gaucho.software/Products/XRG/</a>.)<br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div> In particular, some
                                          desktop environments have
                                          integrated file indexing
                                          facilities which are notorious
                                          for sucking up system
                                          resources, especially on older
                                          and slower hardware. Some of
                                          these can be disabled easily,
                                          while others keep coming back
                                          like the undead after each
                                          boot, login, or even on their
                                          own. I've even noticed this on
                                          newer hardware, that's why
                                          until very recently I
                                          sometimes had to suspend Baloo
                                          (KDE's indexer) when I'm in a
                                          live video session running
                                          some heavy-duty realtime apps
                                          such as Ardour, OBS Studio and
                                          Jitsi Meet at the same time
                                          (Purr is usually the lightest
                                          among these...). On older
                                          hardware, these may well bring
                                          your system down to its knees.<br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>Have a nice Sunday,<br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>Albert</div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                      </div>
                                      <br>
                                      <div class="gmail_quote">
                                        <div dir="ltr"
                                          class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Oct
                                          4, 2020 at 12:02 PM Linux
                                          ROUEN Normandie <<a
                                            href="mailto:linux.rouen@free.fr"
                                            rel="noreferrer noreferrer"
                                            target="_blank"
                                            moz-do-not-send="true">linux.rouen@free.fr</a>>
                                          wrote:<br>
                                        </div>
                                        <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
                                          style="margin:0px 0px 0px
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                                          <div> @Ico,<br>
                                            <div><br>
                                              Great! Thanks for your
                                              Windows fix.<br>
                                              - - - - - - - - - - - -<br>
                                              Joseph Gastelais<br>
                                              - - - - - - - - - - - -<br>
                                              <br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>Le 03/10/2020 à 19:31,
                                              Ivica Bukvic a écrit :<br>
                                            </div>
                                            <blockquote type="cite">
                                              <div dir="auto">The window
                                                size is already fixed in
                                                the new merge request.
                                                The problem was Windows
                                                up until now used nw.js
                                                0.14.7 which had a bug
                                                in respect to the window
                                                size. I did a patch to
                                                compensate for that. Now
                                                that needs to be removed
                                                since Windows has
                                                migrated to 0.24.4. That
                                                should be included in
                                                the next release since
                                                the merge request is
                                                already green. Hope this
                                                helps.<br>
                                                <br>
                                                <div>Best,<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  Ico<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  -- <br>
                                                  Ivica Ico Bukvic,
                                                  D.M.A.<br>
                                                  Director, Creativity +
                                                  Innovation<br>
                                                  Institute for
                                                  Creativity, Arts, and
                                                  Technology<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  Virginia Tech<br>
                                                  Creative Technologies
                                                  in Music<br>
                                                  School of Performing
                                                  Arts – 0141<br>
                                                  Blacksburg, VA 24061<br>
                                                  (540) 231-6139<br>
                                                  <a
                                                    href="mailto:ico@vt.edu"
                                                    rel="noreferrer
                                                    noreferrer"
                                                    target="_blank"
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true">ico@vt.edu</a><br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  <a
                                                    href="http://www.icat.vt.edu"
                                                    rel="noreferrer
                                                    noreferrer"
                                                    target="_blank"
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true">www.icat.vt.edu</a><br>
                                                  <a
                                                    href="http://www.performingarts.vt.edu"
                                                    rel="noreferrer
                                                    noreferrer"
                                                    target="_blank"
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true">www.performingarts.vt.edu</a><br>
                                                  <a
                                                    href="http://l2ork.icat.vt.edu"
                                                    rel="noreferrer
                                                    noreferrer"
                                                    target="_blank"
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true">l2ork.icat.vt.edu</a><br>
                                                  <a
                                                    href="http://ico.bukvic.net"
                                                    rel="noreferrer
                                                    noreferrer"
                                                    target="_blank"
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true">ico.bukvic.net</a></div>
                                              </div>
                                              <br>
                                              <div class="gmail_quote">
                                                <div dir="ltr"
                                                  class="gmail_attr">On
                                                  Sat, Oct 3, 2020,
                                                  13:19 Linux ROUEN
                                                  Normandie <<a
                                                    href="mailto:linux.rouen@free.fr"
                                                    rel="noreferrer
                                                    noreferrer"
                                                    target="_blank"
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true">linux.rouen@free.fr</a>>
                                                  wrote:<br>
                                                </div>
                                                <blockquote
                                                  class="gmail_quote"
                                                  style="margin:0px 0px
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                                                  <div> Hello Albert,<br>
                                                    <div><br>
                                                      Thanks for your
                                                      comments.<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      1. Zoom level<br>
                                                      After additional
                                                      new tests, I
                                                      discovered *my
                                                      Mistake* :-( as
                                                      under GNU/Linux
                                                      I'm using a screen
                                                      scale of x1 and
                                                      under Windows a
                                                      screen scale of
                                                      x1.25! Windows
                                                      with a screen
                                                      scale of x1 gives
                                                      almost the same
                                                      results than under
                                                      the Linuxes. :-)<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      2. But there are
                                                      still some visible
                                                      differences
                                                      between Linux and
                                                      Windows graphics
                                                      rendering. See the
                                                      3 attached files
                                                      for the Control
                                                      Panel of my SMS
                                                      project awa for
                                                      the windows of
                                                      Canvas Help and
                                                      Canvas Properties.
                                                      Under both OSs I'm
                                                      using a screen
                                                      resolution of
                                                      1920x1080, and now
                                                      a screen scale of
                                                      x1.<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      3. Random freezes
                                                      under GNU/Linux<br>
                                                      I do need to find
                                                      *a reproducible
                                                      test procedure*
                                                      which could record
                                                      what is going
                                                      wrong when both
                                                      Purr Data and my
                                                      PC are totally
                                                      freezing. As it's
                                                      on a random basis,
                                                      it can really
                                                      occur for what
                                                      ever I'm doing
                                                      (Edit Mode). So,
                                                      for the time being
                                                      I'm dry.<br>
                                                      If anyone has any
                                                      clever idea, you
                                                      are the welcome.<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      - - - - - - - - -
                                                      - - - - - - - - -
                                                      - -<br>
                                                      Best, Joseph
                                                      Gastelais<br>
                                                      - - - - - - - - -
                                                      - - - - - - - - -
                                                      - -<br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div><br>
                                                      Le 03/10/2020 à
                                                      08:21, Albert
                                                      Graef a écrit :<br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <blockquote
                                                      type="cite">
                                                      <div dir="ltr">
                                                        <div>Hi Joseph,</div>
                                                        <div><br>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div>thanks for
                                                          the feedback,
                                                          but I'm afraid
                                                          that I can't
                                                          reproduce any
                                                          of these
                                                          issues on my
                                                          side. :(</div>
                                                        <div><br>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div>- Default
                                                          zoom levels on
                                                          Windows (10)
                                                          are *exactly*
                                                          the same as on
                                                          Linux and Mac
                                                          for me. Note
                                                          that otherwise
                                                          all the help
                                                          patches would
                                                          be completely
                                                          out of whack,
                                                          and they look
                                                          fine to me.
                                                          Well, there
                                                          are some minor
                                                          imperfections
                                                          due to old
                                                          Windows code
                                                          special-casing
                                                          for nw.js
                                                          0.14.7, but I
                                                          think that Ico
                                                          already has a
                                                          fix ready for
                                                          that which
                                                          will be in the
                                                          next release.
                                                          If that is not
                                                          what you see,
                                                          then maybe
                                                          (this is just
                                                          a wild guess)
                                                          it's a
                                                          specific patch
                                                          and you have
                                                          zoom
                                                          save/restore
                                                          enabled in the
                                                          GUI prefs? If
                                                          it's not one
                                                          of those
                                                          things, please
                                                          post a
                                                          screenshot of
                                                          a minimal
                                                          sample
                                                          (preferably
                                                          one of the
                                                          help patches
                                                          shipping with
                                                          Purr) which
                                                          seems out of
                                                          whack to you.<br>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div><br>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div>- We've
                                                          already
                                                          discussed your
                                                          issues with
                                                          Purr
                                                          occasionally
                                                          freezing
                                                          off-list, but
                                                          as I said, I
                                                          can't
                                                          reproduce this
                                                          on any of my
                                                          Linux boxes
                                                          either. So if
                                                          anyone seems
                                                          to have
                                                          similar
                                                          issues, please
                                                          report them so
                                                          that we can
                                                          begin tracking
                                                          down the
                                                          issue. Joseph,
                                                          I understand
                                                          that this is
                                                          frustrating,
                                                          but the hard
                                                          reality is
                                                          that we can't
                                                          fix bugs that
                                                          we can't
                                                          reproduce. :(
                                                          As soon as we
                                                          can reproduce
                                                          them, we can
                                                          probably
                                                          identify the
                                                          issue and fix
                                                          it. But until
                                                          then we'll
                                                          have to wait
                                                          and see
                                                          whether
                                                          someone can
                                                          confirm your
                                                          problems and
                                                          tell us
                                                          exactly how to
                                                          reproduce
                                                          these issues,
                                                          or at least
                                                          come up with a
                                                          good
                                                          explanation.<br>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div><br>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div>Best,</div>
                                                        <div>Albert</div>
                                                        <div><br>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div><br>
                                                        </div>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <div
                                                        class="gmail_quote">
                                                        <div dir="ltr"
                                                          class="gmail_attr">On
                                                          Fri, Oct 2,
                                                          2020 at 11:31
                                                          PM Linux ROUEN
                                                          Normandie <<a
href="mailto:linux.rouen@free.fr" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">linux.rouen@free.fr</a>>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <blockquote
                                                          class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
                                                          rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                                                          <div> Hello
                                                          All,<br>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          Purr Data
                                                          2.15.0 is a
                                                          real great
                                                          release.
                                                          Thanks and
                                                          congratulations
                                                          to all
                                                          contributors.
                                                          :-)<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          It was
                                                          successfully
                                                          installed/updated
                                                          under Windows
                                                          10 v2004
                                                          (32-bit) and
                                                          Linux Mint 20
                                                          Cinnamon,
                                                          Ubuntu Studio
                                                          20.04 Xfce and
                                                          Manjaro 20.1
                                                          KDE Plasma and
                                                          it's working
                                                          well, except
                                                          few annoying
                                                          bugs.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          @Ico,
                                                          [number2]
                                                          objects are
                                                          looking as
                                                          good as under
                                                          2.14.2 last
                                                          preview.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          PB-1: The
                                                          graphics
                                                          rendering is
                                                          not the same
                                                          on Windows vs
                                                          all GNU/Linux.<br>
                                                          Under Windows
                                                          when opening a
                                                          project saved
                                                          under Linux:<br>
                                                          - the zoom
                                                          level of the
                                                          main patch is
                                                          ~ -1 smaller,<br>
                                                          - the zoom
                                                          level of all
                                                          sub-patches is
                                                          ~ +1 bigger
                                                          (and not ~
                                                          -1), and<br>
                                                          - the main
                                                          window size of
                                                          he project
                                                          seems a little
                                                          bit bigger.<br>
                                                          NW.js has been
                                                          updated to the
                                                          same 0.24.4
                                                          version than
                                                          the Linux's
                                                          one. Is it the
                                                          issue?<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          PB-2: Under
                                                          Linux (where
                                                          I'm mainly
                                                          working),
                                                          2.15.0 has not
                                                          fixed yet the
                                                          *random
                                                          freezes* (main
                                                          patch or
                                                          sub-patches)
                                                          from few
                                                          seconds up to
                                                          complete
                                                          freeze of the
                                                          application
                                                          awa the whole
                                                          PC (except the
                                                          visible mouse
                                                          cursor but its
                                                          click is with
                                                          no effect)
                                                          just when you
                                                          are doing
                                                          (simple)
                                                          *edition
                                                          tasks* (with
                                                          neither MIDI
                                                          nor Audio
                                                          activity and
                                                          DSP=OFF). This
                                                          is true since
                                                          a little bit
                                                          more than one
                                                          year when I
                                                          have started
                                                          using Purr
                                                          Data (at that
                                                          time 2.9.0).<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          - - - - - - -
                                                          - - - - - - -
                                                          - - - - - -<br>
                                                          Best, Joseph
                                                          Gastelais<br>
                                                          - - - - - - -
                                                          - - - - - - -
                                                          - - - - - -<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Le
                                                          01/10/2020 à
                                                          00:17, Albert
                                                          Graef a
                                                          écrit :<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          type="cite">
                                                          <div dir="ltr">
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          style="margin:0px
                                                          0px 1.2em">Hi
                                                          all,</p>
                                                          <p
                                                          style="margin:0px
                                                          0px 1.2em">It’s
                                                          time for
                                                          another
                                                          release with
                                                          the latest
                                                          bugfixes and
                                                          some
                                                          interesting
                                                          new features.
                                                          Download it
                                                          here
                                                          (Mac/Windows):<br>
                                                          <a
                                                          href="https://github.com/agraef/purr-data/releases/tag/2.15.0"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/agraef/purr-data/releases/tag/2.15.0</a></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          style="margin:0px
                                                          0px 1.2em">As
                                                          usual, Linux
                                                          packages are
                                                          available from
                                                          the <a
                                                          href="https://agraef.github.io/purr-data/#jgu-packages"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true">OBS</a>.
                                                          <b><a
href="https://software.opensuse.org/download/package?package=purr-data&project=home%3Aaggraef"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true">Download</a></b></p>
                                                          <h3
id="gmail-m_-3050205577937003352gmail-m_-8043002129184435298m_6567603944099654191m_-3884157541294961027gmail-m_7777955427803493189m_-322647548364585383gmail-m_4888991411558452007bugfixes"
style="margin:1.3em 0px
                                                          1em;padding:0px;font-weight:bold;font-size:1.3em">Bugfixes</h3>
                                                          <ul
                                                          style="margin:1.2em
0px;padding-left:2em">
                                                          <li
                                                          style="margin:0.5em
                                                          0px">Fixed
                                                          Alt-Click
                                                          popup issues
                                                          reported by
                                                          Joseph
                                                          Gastelais (AG)</li>
                                                          <li
                                                          style="margin:0.5em
                                                          0px">Cosmetic
                                                          fixes to <code style="font-size:0.85em;font-family:Consolas,Inconsolata,Courier,monospace;margin:0px 0.15em;padding:0px 0.3em;white-space:pre-wrap;border:1px solid rgb(234,234,234);background-color:rgb(248,248,248);border-radius:3px;display:inline">declare</code>
                                                          error
                                                          reporting (AG)</li>
                                                          <li
                                                          style="margin:0.5em
                                                          0px">Disable
                                                          passing of key
                                                          presses
                                                          globally when
                                                          an object
                                                          grabs focus
                                                          via glist_grab
                                                          (Ico)</li>
                                                          <li
                                                          style="margin:0.5em
                                                          0px">Fixed
                                                          asynchronous
                                                          getscroll and
                                                          activate
                                                          regression
                                                          (Ico)</li>
                                                          <li
                                                          style="margin:0.5em
                                                          0px">Fixed
                                                          openpanel
                                                          unable to open
                                                          a custom path
                                                          on Windows
                                                          (Ico)</li>
                                                          <li
                                                          style="margin:0.5em
                                                          0px">Disabled
                                                          excessive coll
                                                          legacy call
                                                          warnings (Ico)</li>
                                                          </ul>
                                                          <h3
id="gmail-m_-3050205577937003352gmail-m_-8043002129184435298m_6567603944099654191m_-3884157541294961027gmail-m_7777955427803493189m_-322647548364585383gmail-m_4888991411558452007new-features"
style="margin:1.3em 0px
                                                          1em;padding:0px;font-weight:bold;font-size:1.3em">New
                                                          features</h3>
                                                          <ul
                                                          style="margin:1.2em
0px;padding-left:2em">
                                                          <li
                                                          style="margin:0.5em
                                                          0px">Improvements
                                                          to iemgui
                                                          numbox
                                                          (drawstyle,
                                                          font sizing
                                                          and dialog)
                                                          (Ico)<br>
                                                          <b>Note:</b>
                                                          The new numbox
                                                          drawing style
                                                          will change
                                                          the numbox
                                                          size on
                                                          existing
                                                          patches.</li>
                                                          <li
                                                          style="margin:0.5em
                                                          0px">Private
                                                          abstractions
                                                          (Guillem, GSoC
                                                          2020)<br>
                                                          Please check
                                                          the [ab] help
                                                          patch and the
                                                          corresponding
                                                          <a
href="https://agraef.github.io/purr-data-intro/Purr-Data-Intro.html#subpatch-and-abstraction-features"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true">section
                                                          in the “Cat”
                                                          tutorial</a>!</li>
                                                          </ul>
                                                          <p
                                                          style="margin:0px
                                                          0px 1.2em">Enjoy!
                                                          :)<br>
                                                          Albert</p>
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                              Germany<br>
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                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">aggraef@gmail.com</a>,
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