<div dir="auto">Nice! Thanks for sharing the news post, Albert.<br><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Best,<br><br>Ico<br><br>-- <br>Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A.<br>Director, Creativity + Innovation<br>Institute for Creativity, Arts, and Technology<br><br>Virginia Tech<br>Creative Technologies in Music<br>School of Performing Arts – 0141<br>Blacksburg, VA 24061<br>(540) 231-6139<br><a href="mailto:ico@vt.edu">ico@vt.edu</a><br><br><a href="http://www.icat.vt.edu">www.icat.vt.edu</a><br><a href="http://www.performingarts.vt.edu">www.performingarts.vt.edu</a><br><a href="http://l2ork.icat.vt.edu">l2ork.icat.vt.edu</a><br><a href="http://ico.bukvic.net">ico.bukvic.net</a></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Oct 4, 2020, 18:52 Albert Graef <<a href="mailto:aggraef@gmail.com">aggraef@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, Oct 4, 2020 at 11:42 PM Linux ROUEN Normandie <<a href="mailto:linux.rouen@free.fr" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">linux.rouen@free.fr</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>Under Linux I never had BSOD but under Windows, even with the
latest W10 v2004, it's just an old friend of mine since W3.1! LOL<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yep, those BSODs used to be almost everywhere, also on vending and teller machines here in Germany. ;-) But personally, I still have to see one after switching to Windows 10. While I feel much more at home on Linux, I think that Windows 10 is actually a pretty decent system. It's a bit clunky and slow in some places, and then there's that horrible new telemetry stuff, but apart from that it's pretty usable IMHO.</div><div><br></div><div>Still, it could be a lot better, given how much money MS pours into it. Well, if ESR is right then Windows will soon become a thin veil on Linux anyway (<a href="https://linux.slashdot.org/story/20/09/27/193250/eric-s-raymond-is-microsoft-switching-to-a-linux-kernel-that-emulates-windows" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://linux.slashdot.org/story/20/09/27/193250/eric-s-raymond-is-microsoft-switching-to-a-linux-kernel-that-emulates-windows</a>). At which point I might even be tempted to run it for something else than building and testing Windows ports of Linux software. ;-)<br></div><div><br></div><div>Albert<br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div>
<br>
When using Purr Data and my PC is totally freezing under Linux, my
computer screen is still correctly displaying what it was doing.
Even after ten minutes of total freeze I'm still and just able to
move my mouse cursor but its clicks are inactive awa my keyboard.
Moving my mouse over the icons of the System Dashboard normally
displays information but in freeze state nothing at all. During
addition tests, if other Audio and/or Video applications were
running before total freeze, even if my PC became unresponsive
these applications continue to run well (so neither Audio nor
Video freeze). The only way I have for taking back the control of
my PC is to force the shutdown of my computer with its On/Off
button and I'm get nothing visible before closing.<br>
<br>
So, as I wrote one hour ago, one of the possibility is to record
on disk the system activities to try to find out what could happen
but this will depend of what was record just before the total
freeze... Wait and see...<br>
<br>
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -<br>
Best, Joseph Gastelais<br>
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Le 04/10/2020 à 20:14, Ivica Bukvic a écrit :<br>
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<div dir="auto">To add to Albert's thorough email, I wonder if
video acceleration in the chromium versions nw.js may be relying
on may have something to do with this. Namely, I wonder if it
invokes something incorrectly and/or the video driver is not
handling such calls appropriately. If you get a blue screen dump
before the computer reboots, it may be helpful to share that.
The same may be also added to your system event log.<br>
<br>
<div>Best,<br>
<br>
Ico<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A.<br>
Director, Creativity + Innovation<br>
Institute for Creativity, Arts, and Technology<br>
<br>
Virginia Tech<br>
Creative Technologies in Music<br>
School of Performing Arts – 0141<br>
Blacksburg, VA 24061<br>
(540) 231-6139<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Oct 4, 2020, 07:50
Albert Graef <<a href="mailto:aggraef@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">aggraef@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">
<div>Hi Joseph,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>there's a Windows package with Ico's fix here: <a href="https://git.purrdata.net/jwilkes/purr-data/-/jobs/22210" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://git.purrdata.net/jwilkes/purr-data/-/jobs/22210</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>A new release including this and a few other fixes will
hopefully be out sometime next week.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Also, I'm currently testing an update to nw.js 0.28.1
(which fixes issues with the floating dialogs for some
graphics cards under Windows). I doubt that this will cure
your performance issues under Linux, but you never know
until you've tried. ;-) If you want to give it a go, this
is now available in the OBS preview channel; the Ubuntu
20.04 package is at: <a href="https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/aggraef:/purr-data-git/xUbuntu_20.04/amd64/purr-data_2.15.0+git4683+bf8ba131-1_amd64.deb" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/aggraef:/purr-data-git/xUbuntu_20.04/amd64/purr-data_2.15.0+git4683+bf8ba131-1_amd64.deb</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>I do need to find *a reproducible test procedure*
which could record what is going wrong when both Purr
Data and my PC are totally freezing.</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If your *entire system* is freezing and not just Purr
Data, I'm beginning to wonder whether some hardware issue
or some runaway process might be the root cause. It could
be a faulty hardware component (RAM, harddisk, soundcard,
usb peripherals, ...), or some driver misbehaving for old
components that aren't properly supported any longer. That
rarely happens in Linux, though, and in that case you'd
probably see it with other demanding applications, too.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Anyway, as you rightfully remarked, the first step in
diagnosing such a problem would be to identify
characteristics of situations in which these hiccups
occur, such as heavy disk/usb/network/audio/graphics
operations, or abnormally high CPU or RAM usage, and which
applications and background jobs are running at the time.
A monitoring program like htop should help to identify
these, but you surely know this already. The venerable
gkrellm (<a href="http://gkrellm.srcbox.net/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://gkrellm.srcbox.net/</a>)
is another monitoring tool that I find so indispensable
for checking system health a glance, that I use it not
only on Linux, but on all of my Windows boxes, too.
(Unfortunately, gkrellm hasn't been ported to macOS, as
far as I know. But there's a similar open-source tool
named XRG there, see <a href="https://gaucho.software/Products/XRG/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://gaucho.software/Products/XRG/</a>.)<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> In particular, some desktop environments have
integrated file indexing facilities which are notorious
for sucking up system resources, especially on older and
slower hardware. Some of these can be disabled easily,
while others keep coming back like the undead after each
boot, login, or even on their own. I've even noticed this
on newer hardware, that's why until very recently I
sometimes had to suspend Baloo (KDE's indexer) when I'm in
a live video session running some heavy-duty realtime apps
such as Ardour, OBS Studio and Jitsi Meet at the same time
(Purr is usually the lightest among these...). On older
hardware, these may well bring your system down to its
knees.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Have a nice Sunday,<br>
</div>
<div>Albert</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Oct 4, 2020 at
12:02 PM Linux ROUEN Normandie <<a href="mailto:linux.rouen@free.fr" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">linux.rouen@free.fr</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div> @Ico,<br>
<div><br>
Great! Thanks for your Windows fix.<br>
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Joseph Gastelais<br>
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<br>
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<div>Le 03/10/2020 à 19:31, Ivica Bukvic a écrit :<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="auto">The window size is already fixed in
the new merge request. The problem was Windows up
until now used nw.js 0.14.7 which had a bug in
respect to the window size. I did a patch to
compensate for that. Now that needs to be removed
since Windows has migrated to 0.24.4. That should be
included in the next release since the merge request
is already green. Hope this helps.<br>
<br>
<div>Best,<br>
<br>
Ico<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A.<br>
Director, Creativity + Innovation<br>
Institute for Creativity, Arts, and Technology<br>
<br>
Virginia Tech<br>
Creative Technologies in Music<br>
School of Performing Arts – 0141<br>
Blacksburg, VA 24061<br>
(540) 231-6139<br>
<a href="mailto:ico@vt.edu" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">ico@vt.edu</a><br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Oct 3,
2020, 13:19 Linux ROUEN Normandie <<a href="mailto:linux.rouen@free.fr" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">linux.rouen@free.fr</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div> Hello Albert,<br>
<div><br>
Thanks for your comments.<br>
<br>
1. Zoom level<br>
After additional new tests, I discovered *my
Mistake* :-( as under GNU/Linux I'm using a
screen scale of x1 and under Windows a screen
scale of x1.25! Windows with a screen scale of
x1 gives almost the same results than under
the Linuxes. :-)<br>
<br>
2. But there are still some visible
differences between Linux and Windows graphics
rendering. See the 3 attached files for the
Control Panel of my SMS project awa for the
windows of Canvas Help and Canvas Properties.
Under both OSs I'm using a screen resolution
of 1920x1080, and now a screen scale of x1.<br>
<br>
3. Random freezes under GNU/Linux<br>
I do need to find *a reproducible test
procedure* which could record what is going
wrong when both Purr Data and my PC are
totally freezing. As it's on a random basis,
it can really occur for what ever I'm doing
(Edit Mode). So, for the time being I'm dry.<br>
If anyone has any clever idea, you are the
welcome.<br>
<br>
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -<br>
Best, Joseph Gastelais<br>
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -<br>
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Le 03/10/2020 à 08:21, Albert Graef a écrit :<br>
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<div dir="ltr">
<div>Hi Joseph,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>thanks for the feedback, but I'm afraid
that I can't reproduce any of these issues
on my side. :(</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>- Default zoom levels on Windows (10)
are *exactly* the same as on Linux and Mac
for me. Note that otherwise all the help
patches would be completely out of whack,
and they look fine to me. Well, there are
some minor imperfections due to old
Windows code special-casing for nw.js
0.14.7, but I think that Ico already has a
fix ready for that which will be in the
next release. If that is not what you see,
then maybe (this is just a wild guess)
it's a specific patch and you have zoom
save/restore enabled in the GUI prefs? If
it's not one of those things, please post
a screenshot of a minimal sample
(preferably one of the help patches
shipping with Purr) which seems out of
whack to you.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>- We've already discussed your issues
with Purr occasionally freezing off-list,
but as I said, I can't reproduce this on
any of my Linux boxes either. So if anyone
seems to have similar issues, please
report them so that we can begin tracking
down the issue. Joseph, I understand that
this is frustrating, but the hard reality
is that we can't fix bugs that we can't
reproduce. :( As soon as we can reproduce
them, we can probably identify the issue
and fix it. But until then we'll have to
wait and see whether someone can confirm
your problems and tell us exactly how to
reproduce these issues, or at least come
up with a good explanation.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best,</div>
<div>Albert</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri,
Oct 2, 2020 at 11:31 PM Linux ROUEN
Normandie <<a href="mailto:linux.rouen@free.fr" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">linux.rouen@free.fr</a>>
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<div> Hello All,<br>
<div><br>
Purr Data 2.15.0 is a real great
release. Thanks and congratulations to
all contributors. :-)<br>
<br>
It was successfully installed/updated
under Windows 10 v2004 (32-bit) and
Linux Mint 20 Cinnamon, Ubuntu Studio
20.04 Xfce and Manjaro 20.1 KDE Plasma
and it's working well, except few
annoying bugs.<br>
<br>
@Ico, [number2] objects are looking as
good as under 2.14.2 last preview.<br>
<br>
PB-1: The graphics rendering is not
the same on Windows vs all GNU/Linux.<br>
Under Windows when opening a project
saved under Linux:<br>
- the zoom level of the main patch is
~ -1 smaller,<br>
- the zoom level of all sub-patches is
~ +1 bigger (and not ~ -1), and<br>
- the main window size of he project
seems a little bit bigger.<br>
NW.js has been updated to the same
0.24.4 version than the Linux's one.
Is it the issue?<br>
<br>
PB-2: Under Linux (where I'm mainly
working), 2.15.0 has not fixed yet the
*random freezes* (main patch or
sub-patches) from few seconds up to
complete freeze of the application awa
the whole PC (except the visible mouse
cursor but its click is with no
effect) just when you are doing
(simple) *edition tasks* (with neither
MIDI nor Audio activity and DSP=OFF).
This is true since a little bit more
than one year when I have started
using Purr Data (at that time 2.9.0).<br>
<br>
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
-<br>
Best, Joseph Gastelais<br>
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
-<br>
<br>
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<div>Le 01/10/2020 à 00:17, Albert Graef
a écrit :<br>
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<div>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1.2em">Hi
all,</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1.2em">It’s
time for another release with
the latest bugfixes and some
interesting new features.
Download it here (Mac/Windows):<br>
<a href="https://github.com/agraef/purr-data/releases/tag/2.15.0" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/agraef/purr-data/releases/tag/2.15.0</a></p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1.2em">As
usual, Linux packages are
available from the <a href="https://agraef.github.io/purr-data/#jgu-packages" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">OBS</a>.
<b><a href="https://software.opensuse.org/download/package?package=purr-data&project=home%3Aaggraef" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">Download</a></b></p>
<h3 id="m_-5522997233437456926gmail-m_5232174052891039427m_-3884157541294961027gmail-m_7777955427803493189m_-322647548364585383gmail-m_4888991411558452007bugfixes" style="margin:1.3em 0px 1em;padding:0px;font-weight:bold;font-size:1.3em">Bugfixes</h3>
<ul style="margin:1.2em 0px;padding-left:2em">
<li style="margin:0.5em 0px">Fixed
Alt-Click popup issues
reported by Joseph Gastelais
(AG)</li>
<li style="margin:0.5em 0px">Cosmetic
fixes to <code style="font-size:0.85em;font-family:Consolas,Inconsolata,Courier,monospace;margin:0px 0.15em;padding:0px 0.3em;white-space:pre-wrap;border:1px solid rgb(234,234,234);background-color:rgb(248,248,248);border-radius:3px;display:inline">declare</code>
error reporting (AG)</li>
<li style="margin:0.5em 0px">Disable
passing of key presses
globally when an object grabs
focus via glist_grab (Ico)</li>
<li style="margin:0.5em 0px">Fixed
asynchronous getscroll and
activate regression (Ico)</li>
<li style="margin:0.5em 0px">Fixed
openpanel unable to open a
custom path on Windows (Ico)</li>
<li style="margin:0.5em 0px">Disabled
excessive coll legacy call
warnings (Ico)</li>
</ul>
<h3 id="m_-5522997233437456926gmail-m_5232174052891039427m_-3884157541294961027gmail-m_7777955427803493189m_-322647548364585383gmail-m_4888991411558452007new-features" style="margin:1.3em 0px 1em;padding:0px;font-weight:bold;font-size:1.3em">New
features</h3>
<ul style="margin:1.2em 0px;padding-left:2em">
<li style="margin:0.5em 0px">Improvements
to iemgui numbox (drawstyle,
font sizing and dialog) (Ico)<br>
<b>Note:</b> The new
numbox drawing style will
change the numbox size on
existing patches.</li>
<li style="margin:0.5em 0px">Private
abstractions (Guillem, GSoC
2020)<br>
Please check the [ab] help
patch and the corresponding <a href="https://agraef.github.io/purr-data-intro/Purr-Data-Intro.html#subpatch-and-abstraction-features" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">section
in the “Cat” tutorial</a>!</li>
</ul>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1.2em">Enjoy!
:)<br>
Albert</p>
</div>
<div>-- <br>
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<div dir="ltr">
<div>
<div dir="ltr">Dr.
Albert Gr"af<br>
Computer Music
Research Group, JGU
Mainz, Germany<br>
Email: <a href="mailto:aggraef@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer
noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">aggraef@gmail.com</a>,
web: <a href="https://agraef.github.io/" rel="noreferrer
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