<div dir="auto"><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 03:34 Albert Graef <<a href="mailto:aggraef@gmail.com">aggraef@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 7:10 AM Ivica Bukvic <<a href="mailto:ico@vt.edu" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ico@vt.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">I vote for alt even though I am still getting used to it :-).</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Counted, thanks. The scales are tipping slightly in favor of Alt again. :) Mario, you kicked this off, what's your vote? Can you live with Alt, or do you want Ctrl back?<br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"> I do not like the flashing of the grid background every time I create an object.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>If I understand Jonathan's second proposed solution correctly, it would cure this (also IMHO truly awful) regression. I'm tempted to give this a go myself, but I have no doubts that Jonathan will be able to implement it a lot quicker because he knows the JS source much better than I do.<br></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I like the new approach because it just proposes two different modes of operation without introducing yet another hybrid one.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Regardless the approach, we still need the ghost key release fix that Jonathan proposed.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Best,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Ico</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div></div><div><br> </div><div>Albert</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><br><div>Best,<br><br>Ico<br><br>-- <br>Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A.<br>Director, Creativity + Innovation<br>Institute for Creativity, Arts, and Technology<br><br>Virginia Tech<br>Creative Technologies in Music<br>School of Performing Arts – 0141<br>Blacksburg, VA 24061<br>(540) 231-6139<br><a href="mailto:ico@vt.edu" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ico@vt.edu</a><br><br><a href="http://www.icat.vt.edu" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">www.icat.vt.edu</a><br><a href="http://www.performingarts.vt.edu" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">www.performingarts.vt.edu</a><br><a href="http://l2ork.icat.vt.edu" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">l2ork.icat.vt.edu</a><br><a href="http://ico.bukvic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ico.bukvic.net</a></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 20:57 Albert Graef <<a href="mailto:aggraef@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">aggraef@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 6:12 PM Jonathan Wilkes <<a href="mailto:jon.w.wilkes@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">jon.w.wilkes@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
I mentioned one solution previously, which was to just go ahead and<br>
send a ctrl up event to the backend in the relevant callbacks. To sum<br>
up-- it's more involved than simply changing the keybinding.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yep, that's what I referred to as "a lot of duct tape." :)</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">

I think there is another-- instead of triggering the beginning of the<br>
mode on `<ctrl>`, we could trigger it on click.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>That sounds like the most sensible solution. But is that really the only thing that you can do in temp runmode? (Sorry, I'm not actually that familiar with temp runmode, I don't really use it a lot myself.)</div><div><br></div><div>Also, do you think that this also solves the popup-swallows-ctrl-key-up bug in the case of an abstraction click in temp runmode? (Joseph just reported this for 2.14.2, it's the one popup issue which remains the same with the Alt keybinding.)</div><div><br></div><div>Albert</div><div><br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> Then we can just look<br>
to see if there's a `<ctrl>` modifier with the click, and if so send<br>
that `<ctrl>` key event to the backend. Now the backend can wait with<br>
impunity for the `<ctrl>` keyup since we know the user is in the midst<br>
of a click.<br>
<br>
To be completist we could do the same for an initial mousemove event<br>
to check if `<ctrl>` is depressed. That would leave a single esoteric<br>
bug, which is that the user wouldn't be able to trigger a pointer<br>
cursor change-- say, hovering over a scalar's clickable hotspot--<br>
simple by depressing and release `<ctrl>`.<br>
<br>
-Jonathan<br>
<br>
><br>
>> I vote for keeping the <ctrl> binding.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Counted, thanks.<br>
><br>
> It probably doesn't come as a big surprise that I vote for the Alt key myself. ;-)<br>
><br>
> Anyone else? Ico, IIRC it was actually you who originally suggested the Alt key (or would at least be fine with it), so what's your vote then?<br>
><br>
> Cheers,<br>
> Albert<br>
><br>
>> >>> I also see the new grid in Edit mode. Is there any way to snap to this grid?<br>
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