<div dir="ltr"><div>BTW, one more little thing to keep in mind if anyone wants to go ahead and implement Jonathan's (2nd) proposal: If you go back to Ctrl as temp runmode key, please note that this key does *not* work on the Mac because Ctrl+Click is bound to Right-Click there. And that's a binding that most Mac users will definitely *not* want to change. So it absolutely needs to be the Cmd instead of the Ctrl key on the Mac (this is also what vanilla uses for temp runmode on the Mac).</div><div><br></div><div><div>In the meantime I just went ahead and fixed the alt-click popup issue that Joseph reported (<a href="https://git.purrdata.net/jwilkes/purr-data/-/merge_requests/572">https://git.purrdata.net/jwilkes/purr-data/-/merge_requests/572</a>). Alt key FTW! :))</div><div><br></div><div>This was as easy as I expected, and yes, I did use Jonathan's fake keyup trick in the click handler for that. (Jonathan, it would be nice if you could merge this asap, so that it goes into the next release. Unless you already have a better solution ready to go, that is.)<br></div><div><br></div><div>Albert</div><div><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 6:16 PM Albert Graef <<a href="mailto:aggraef@gmail.com">aggraef@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 2:26 PM Ivica Bukvic <<a href="mailto:ico@vt.edu" target="_blank">ico@vt.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">I like the new approach because it just proposes two different modes of operation without introducing yet another hybrid one.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I'm not sure I understand, are you talking about my solution, or Jonathan's second proposal?</div><div><br></div><div>If it's the latter, yes, the more I think about it, the more it makes sense to reduce all the flashing to a bare minimum by deferring temp runmode to modifier-click. But someone will now just have to bite the bullet and implement that. ;-) I already had my turn, and nobody seems to like what I came up with, even though it fixes (almost) all the really bad regressions we had with the Ctrl modifier.<br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"></div><div dir="auto">Regardless the approach, we still need the ghost key release fix that Jonathan proposed.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yep, to fix the modifier-click issue on a subpatch if nothing else.</div><div><br></div><div>Albert</div><div><br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 20:57 Albert Graef <<a href="mailto:aggraef@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">aggraef@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 6:12 PM Jonathan Wilkes <<a href="mailto:jon.w.wilkes@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">jon.w.wilkes@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
I mentioned one solution previously, which was to just go ahead and<br>
send a ctrl up event to the backend in the relevant callbacks. To sum<br>
up-- it's more involved than simply changing the keybinding.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yep, that's what I referred to as "a lot of duct tape." :)</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
I think there is another-- instead of triggering the beginning of the<br>
mode on `<ctrl>`, we could trigger it on click.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>That sounds like the most sensible solution. But is that really the only thing that you can do in temp runmode? (Sorry, I'm not actually that familiar with temp runmode, I don't really use it a lot myself.)</div><div><br></div><div>Also, do you think that this also solves the popup-swallows-ctrl-key-up bug in the case of an abstraction click in temp runmode? (Joseph just reported this for 2.14.2, it's the one popup issue which remains the same with the Alt keybinding.)</div><div><br></div><div>Albert</div><div><br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> Then we can just look<br>
to see if there's a `<ctrl>` modifier with the click, and if so send<br>
that `<ctrl>` key event to the backend. Now the backend can wait with<br>
impunity for the `<ctrl>` keyup since we know the user is in the midst<br>
of a click.<br>
<br>
To be completist we could do the same for an initial mousemove event<br>
to check if `<ctrl>` is depressed. That would leave a single esoteric<br>
bug, which is that the user wouldn't be able to trigger a pointer<br>
cursor change-- say, hovering over a scalar's clickable hotspot--<br>
simple by depressing and release `<ctrl>`.<br>
<br>
-Jonathan<br>
<br>
><br>
>> I vote for keeping the <ctrl> binding.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Counted, thanks.<br>
><br>
> It probably doesn't come as a big surprise that I vote for the Alt key myself. ;-)<br>
><br>
> Anyone else? Ico, IIRC it was actually you who originally suggested the Alt key (or would at least be fine with it), so what's your vote then?<br>
><br>
> Cheers,<br>
> Albert<br>
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