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Albert,<br>
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Sorry it took me a while to respond--been busy with the OPERAcraft
production. I hear what you're saying but there is no easy or
graceful way to fix this without getting into ugly string resizing
business which can be rather messy. Even then, we'd be breaking
backwards compatibility since any kind of escaping (e.g. \# or
similar) would not render properly on older pd. I agree this would
still be better. I, however, wonder if I shouldn't simply introduce
a -legacy flag and add this and iemgui position to a list of
modifications that break backwards compatibility in favor of
progress. This would be considerably easier to maintain.<br>
<br>
Regarding supporting other platforms, Jonathan has been making major
progress on making the new node-webkit gui version build on OSX as
well as on Linux, so there may be more options soon.<br>
<br>
All,<br>
<br>
Please let me know what are your thoughts on the aforesaid proposed
course of action.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Ico<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/5/2015 5:56 AM, Albert Graef
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<div>Hi Ico,<br>
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any thoughts on how to resolve this issue? Should I report
it as a bug? If you don't see the issue, then maybe my
previous report didn't sound urgent enough. ;-)<br>
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I understand that compatibility with other Pd flavors is not
a major concern for you. But we're not talking about some
incompatibilities in the external library here. Rev. 57914b7
makes the Pd-L2Ork *patch file format* incompatible with all
other Pd versions. It completely kills interoperability with
both vanilla and extended Pd (and even older Pd-L2Ork
versions!).<br>
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In fact, rev. 57914b7 affects pretty much *all*
abstractions. If you have a nontrivial patch, chances are
that you'll get bitten by this change ($0-id receivers are a
very common idiom). The DISIS patches included with pd-l2ork
are affected as well (check disis_wiimote-help.pd some
time). Moreover, a quick search of pd-l2ork/extra turns up
some two dozen abstractions with #0- in them. So even
Pd-L2Ork's own abstraction library is pretty much broken
right now. I can't believe that I'm the only one running
into this.<br>
<br>
I consider this a very serious bug. IMHO rev. 57914b7 needs
to be reverted quickly. For the time being, I have a new
PKGBUILD for Arch Linux systems ready to go which patches
the current git sources accordingly. This will eliminate the
issue for Arch users, but this really needs to be fixed
upstream. ;-)<br>
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Albert<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Albert
Graef <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:aggraef@gmail.com" target="_blank">aggraef@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<div class="gmail_extra">thanks, everything fine and dandy
here again. :) Hope that you're fine too!<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote"><span class="">On Tue, Nov 24,
2015 at 8:20 PM, Ivica Bukvic <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ico@vt.edu"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ico@vt.edu">ico@vt.edu</a></a>></span> wrote:<br>
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rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">The reason for
this change is because a label that is only the
pound sign by itself in the vanilla version it
gets dubiously converted into a dollar sign. This
makes it impossible to use that character in a
label.</blockquote>
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<div>Ok, I understand. Yeah, I noticed that as well,
it's annoying.<br>
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But as long as Pd-L2Ork only runs on Linux, being
able to exchange patches with other Pd flavors is
important (also for my students who usually run OSX
or Windows at home).<br>
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<div>The new format will also bite long-time Pd-L2Ork
users since (depending on their use of $i in
abstractions) their patches will suddenly stop
working. In fact, I had this happen to me, that's
how I noticed.<br>
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<div>Also, the use of control characters in patch
files may throw off mime type recognition and make
it harder to exchange patches via email.<br>
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rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> In the fix
that the new version has this is now possible
without affecting the use of dynamic variables
like $0. If you can think of a better way to do
this while retaining the backwards compatibility I
am all for it.</blockquote>
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Instead of a replacement for the # character, how about
introducing a Pd-L2Ork-specific way of escaping # in
labels? I'm not sure how hard it is to implement that,
but then only users who actually need that feature would
be affected. All others wouldn't even notice that there
was a change in the patch format, and everyone would be
happy. ;-)<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Dr. Albert Gr"af<br>
Computer Music Research Group, JGU Mainz, Germany<br>
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