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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/30/2015 2:02 PM, Gilberto
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Hi Ico, hi all,<br>
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Thanks for your reply. I understand that it is much easier to be
throwing ideas around (like I do) than to implement them, and I
can see why this particular feature would be more time consuming
than a simple bug correction. <br>
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As for the bounty system, I don't have any objections about it at
all, but I've never felt much comfortable with it either (other
projects which I contribute use bounty systems). The problem for
me is the amount of a bounty: if you are paying someone to do a
work, the payment has to be worth doing it. If something takes
several hours (or days) to implement, it would be ridiculous to
offer few money for it. But on the other hand, it's a single user
who is backing up this feature request, and so what I found is
that unless an user _really_ needs a feature then usually he or
she does not proposes bounties at all. And these few bounties that
I came across for this type of project were relatively high (at
least for me as a student). So in the end I'd much rather donate
something that I can spare without being concerned if that's too
few than to offer an embarrassing bounty for this or that feature.<br>
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Good points. I would, however, like to point that any bounty is
better than no bounty, and as such I think even ridiculously small
contributions would go a long way towards making things better.<br>
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As for Kickstarter, that could work out really well. There are a
lot of Pure Data users around the world, and 99% of them agree
that pd vanilla and extended are missing important things,
particularly when it comes to the GUI (exactly what l2Ork is
addressing the best). For the average user (myself included), the
GUI makes a really important part of the whole experience and
workflow, and no matter how many times you tell them that you can
do this or that in Pd as well as in Max MSP, they _feel_ that Max
can do more, is better, etc. But I believe that for a Kickstarter
campaign to work out, it would be quite important to be able to
offer Pd-l2Ork for Windows and Mac as well in order to attract
more users (and more financial backing).<br>
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Interesting. So, if we were to promise cross-platform support as
part of the Kickstarter and a compelling list of new features,
perhaps this might be the right approach?<br>
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Best,<br>
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Ico<br>
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These are just ideas from the top of my head and I hope you'll
understand my opinions.<br>
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Take care,<br>
Gilberto<br>
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Gilberto,<br>
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I think this is a great suggestion. It is also one that will
take some time and effort. For this reason, I am thinking about
opening a bounty system and soliciting donations for features
like these as they are not directly related to the most pressing
issues, but if there is a finanical incentive that would allow
us to block off time and/or hire part-time help, then we could
elevate things like these to the top of the heap.<br>
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Speaking of which, how would community feel about something like
bounty system if that would move us forward faster in terms of
development? Alternately, how about a kickstarter or an
indiegogo project?<br>
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Best,<br>
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Ico<br>
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Hello all,<br>
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I would like to ask you if you'd consider implementing a
feature similar to Max MSP's encapsulation. Basically, if you
select some objects in a patch and then use the encapsulation
shortcut (if memory serves me right, in Max it used to be
Ctrl+Shift+E), then they will be replaced by a single
subpatch. To explain better, here is a video that I edited
showing the desired feature in Pd-l2Ork: <a
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href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RqOYPK9XPM">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RqOYPK9XPM</a><br>
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This can be a very handy feature: usually when patching people
starts with something very simple and if (or rather <i>when</i>)
things start to get complicated, they have to use a lot of
copy and paste to create subpatches manually, memorize where
the connections where, create inlets and outlets manually,
etc. This feature would become very handy in these situations.<br>
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Would you consider this to be feasible in Pd-l2Ork?<br>
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Thanks a lot and take care,<br>
Gilberto<br>
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Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A.
Associate Professor
Computer Music
ICAT Senior Fellow
DISIS, L2Ork
Virginia Tech
School of Performing Arts – 0141
Blacksburg, VA 24061
(540) 231-6139
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ico@vt.edu">ico@vt.edu</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.performingarts.vt.edu">www.performingarts.vt.edu</a>
disis.music.vt.edu
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