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Hi Ico, hi all,<br>
<br>
Thanks for your reply. I understand that it is much easier to be
throwing ideas around (like I do) than to implement them, and I can
see why this particular feature would be more time consuming than a
simple bug correction. <br>
<br>
As for the bounty system, I don't have any objections about it at
all, but I've never felt much comfortable with it either (other
projects which I contribute use bounty systems). The problem for me
is the amount of a bounty: if you are paying someone to do a work,
the payment has to be worth doing it. If something takes several
hours (or days) to implement, it would be ridiculous to offer few
money for it. But on the other hand, it's a single user who is
backing up this feature request, and so what I found is that unless
an user _really_ needs a feature then usually he or she does not
proposes bounties at all. And these few bounties that I came across
for this type of project were relatively high (at least for me as a
student). So in the end I'd much rather donate something that I can
spare without being concerned if that's too few than to offer an
embarrassing bounty for this or that feature.<br>
<br>
As for Kickstarter, that could work out really well. There are a lot
of Pure Data users around the world, and 99% of them agree that pd
vanilla and extended are missing important things, particularly when
it comes to the GUI (exactly what l2Ork is addressing the best). For
the average user (myself included), the GUI makes a really important
part of the whole experience and workflow, and no matter how many
times you tell them that you can do this or that in Pd as well as in
Max MSP, they _feel_ that Max can do more, is better, etc. But I
believe that for a Kickstarter campaign to work out, it would be
quite important to be able to offer Pd-l2Ork for Windows and Mac as
well in order to attract more users (and more financial backing).<br>
<br>
These are just ideas from the top of my head and I hope you'll
understand my opinions.<br>
<br>
Take care,<br>
Gilberto<br>
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Gilberto,<br>
<br>
I think this is a great suggestion. It is also one that will take
some time and effort. For this reason, I am thinking about opening
a bounty system and soliciting donations for features like these
as they are not directly related to the most pressing issues, but
if there is a finanical incentive that would allow us to block off
time and/or hire part-time help, then we could elevate things like
these to the top of the heap.<br>
<br>
Speaking of which, how would community feel about something like
bounty system if that would move us forward faster in terms of
development? Alternately, how about a kickstarter or an indiegogo
project?<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Ico<br>
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Agostinho wrote:<br>
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Hello all,<br>
<br>
I would like to ask you if you'd consider implementing a feature
similar to Max MSP's encapsulation. Basically, if you select
some objects in a patch and then use the encapsulation shortcut
(if memory serves me right, in Max it used to be Ctrl+Shift+E),
then they will be replaced by a single subpatch. To explain
better, here is a video that I edited showing the desired
feature in Pd-l2Ork: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RqOYPK9XPM">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RqOYPK9XPM</a><br>
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This can be a very handy feature: usually when patching people
starts with something very simple and if (or rather <i>when</i>)
things start to get complicated, they have to use a lot of copy
and paste to create subpatches manually, memorize where the
connections where, create inlets and outlets manually, etc. This
feature would become very handy in these situations.<br>
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Would you consider this to be feasible in Pd-l2Ork?<br>
<br>
Thanks a lot and take care,<br>
Gilberto<br>
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DISIS, L2Ork
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