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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/11/2014 9:23 AM, Albert Graef
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Gilberto Agostinho <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">- As for [prepend]
vs [list prepend], I think it could be nice to leave
obsolete objects in order to maximize compatibility (I
have seen many patches using [prepend]). On top of that,
I believe that [prepend] works not only with lists, but
also with any strings, and it is very useful to set a
value to a message box (I requires one less object to do
this job). Have a look: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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- or am I missing something here?<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Sorry for unearthing this old thread,
but it seems that the issue with the missing cyclone objects
hasn't been fixed yet. I just had someone report it to me on
the AUR (where I'm maintaining the Arch pd-l2ork package).<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">I consider this a real bug. Like it or
not, but people have patches made with other Pd flavors, which
they would like to run with pd-l2ork, and prepend apparently
is one of those objects that actually gets used by some
people. Is there a really good reason to exclude this specific
object when everything else from cyclone is there? Otherwise
it just makes running "legacy" patches harder for no good
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I tend to disagree with this mainly because prepend does not output
a genuine list, as it should but rather an "anything" which further
confuses new users. That said, I offer a compromise--I've just
committed earlier today an abstraction prepend.pd and its
prepend-help.pd file as part of the cyclone library that essentially
mimics the behavior of prepend.pd but also posts intentionally
annoying warning in the console that this object is deprecated as
well as what the users should use instead (namely [list prepend]).
The help file also reflects this fact with a big red warning box at
the top of it.<br>
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Please note as we move forward we will have to prune a good number
of 3rd party objects and provide some sort of an interim abstraction
that substitutes its behavior. I am also looking to consolidate all
externals into a single folder and drop the whole
library_path/external_name nonsense which makes pd 3rd party
ecosystem incredibly hard to navigate--I am open to alternative
suggestions but I do want to also point out that I feel rather
strongly about this. Your help/input in this process will be most
appreciated.<br>
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Best,<br>
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Ico<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Dr. Albert Gr"af<br>
Computer Music Research Group, JGU Mainz, Germany<br>
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