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Hi Ivica,<br>
<br>
As for the other e-mail, here are my comments:<br>
<br>
- I understand your approach of implementing things into the core of
the code, but I believe that allowing users to write tcl plugins
allow them to greatly customize their installation, as well as share
interesting solutions. Nevertheless, here is a short demo of the
completion-plugin and category-menu-plugin I mentioned before, which
I believe could be very beneficial to pd-l2ork (you probably have to
watch it in HD in order to be able to read, I recorded the whole
desktop and not only pd's window):
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CO8Zi_Ae_-I">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CO8Zi_Ae_-I</a><br>
<br>
- another interesting plugin is the full screen plugin, which allows
full screen use by hitting F11 on the keyboard<br>
<br>
- If I manually change the file .pdl2ork, then I am able to add
folders to the path. I wonder why I can't do it via pd-l2Ork.<br>
<br>
- Still about settings that are not saved: if I change the colour
scheme and then I restart pd-l2Ork, it reverts back to the default
colours. It also would be nice to allow users to save their presets,
since you let them change the colours themselves and it would be
frustrating to spend time preparing your own palette only to lose it
next time.<br>
<br>
- pity about initialization of JACK, but that's totally
understandable. In the end, one needs only two extra clicks to start
it manually.<br>
<br>
- I already wrote about [gcanvas] on my previous e-mail, but just
restating: part of ggee, default with pd-extended.<br>
<br>
- As for [prepend] vs [list prepend], I think it could be nice to
leave obsolete objects in order to maximize compatibility (I have
seen many patches using [prepend]). On top of that, I believe that
[prepend] works not only with lists, but also with any strings, and
it is very useful to set a value to a message box (I requires one
less object to do this job). Have a look:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://s12.postimg.org/f45zkztx9/foobar.png">http://s12.postimg.org/f45zkztx9/foobar.png</a> - or am I missing
something here?<br>
<br>
Thanks a lot for all the commenting of my questions, I really
appreciate your time and the effort put on Pd-l2Ork. If there is
anything I can do to help out, please let me know.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
Gilberto<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 15/09/14 18:54, Ivica Bukvic wrote:<br>
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<p dir="ltr">Again, thank you for the update as well as for kind
words re: pd-l2ork, Gilberto. Please see my comments below.</p>
<p dir="ltr">On Sep 15, 2014 10:54 AM, "Gilberto Agostinho" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gilbertohasnofb@googlemail.com">gilbertohasnofb@googlemail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hello list,<br>
><br>
> So after successfully installing pd-2lok side-by-side with
pd-extended, I am finally playing around with it. I am extremely
impressed by it, the new features are absolutely stunning! That
said, I do have a couple of questions/comments about it, and I
hope this is the right place to ask them (I tried the main Pure
Data forum, but I think not many users there are working with
pd-l2Ork).</p>
<p dir="ltr">Either place is fine, although perhaps this one is a
bit more appropriate.</p>
<p dir="ltr">><br>
> - Pd-l2Ork does not seem to recognize nor execute any of my
*-plugin.tcl files (pd-extended automatically does it for any
file ending with -plugin.tcl). Is this feature not yet
supported? If so, is there any plan to implement it? It would be
a huge pity to live without it, since there are great tcl
plugins available for pure data, such as auto-completition, full
screen by pressing F11 and one called category_menu-plugin.tcl
(this last one is my absolutely favourite).</p>
<p dir="ltr">We haven't implemented plugins as we prefer to
implement things into the core of pd-l2ork and also because we
are looking to migrate gui to qt soon which will obsolete a
large number of tk-specific workarounds. Pd-l2ork already
supports more flexible implementations of some of the plugins,
like hide menu which in pd-l2ork can be done per canvas rather
than only globally for the entire pd instance. I am not
familiar what plugins you listed do beyond what you mentioned
above, so if you think these should be a part of pd-l2ork, we
can certainly look into it.</p>
<p dir="ltr">><br>
> - I am not able to add a new folder to pd-l2Ork's path. To
be more exact: I do manage to add it, but then when I restart
Pd-l2Ork (so all externals would be reloaded) the folder is not
on its path and the abstractions there contained cannot be
loaded. How can one edit the path?</p>
<p dir="ltr">Did you try changing .pdl2ork file in your home
folder? That is what it uses for its user-specific settings
file.</p>
<p dir="ltr">><br>
> - Is it possible for pd-l2Ork to automatically start JACK
by itself as pd-extended does? Now I have to manually open
QjackCtrl, start JACK and then start pd-l2Ork</p>
<p dir="ltr">As of right now, unfortunately no, mainly because so
far it seemed better to have full control over how many channels
jack should start and how they should connect to pd-l2ork, than
deal with default connections that only work in limited
situations. As always, we are open to alternative
implementations, but as it seems right now it is a choice of
either using the incomplete implementation or reimplementing
everything tools like qjackctl does which seems awfully
redundant.</p>
<p dir="ltr">><br>
> - [gcanvas] : this very nice pd-extended GUI object is
missing, and I believe quite a lot of abstractions use it (I
found that even some of GEM tutorials included in pd-l2ork have
it)</p>
<p dir="ltr">We build Gem from the latest git. I unfortunately
have not tested all its patches so if this is something we
should have (and it certainly seems so), we will gladly add it
to the next release. I could use more info about that object as
I do not use extended or vanilla. Namely, is it a core object or
a third-party external and if so to which lib does it belong to?</p>
<p dir="ltr">><br>
> - [prepend] : very useful pd-extended object (part of
cyclone) is also missing. Why wasn't this library included in
this release? I copied it from the pd-extended folder and it
worked perfectly well.</p>
<p dir="ltr">This is a part of continual work to prune redundant
objects from pd-l2ork. [list prepend] is a perfect alternative
and I have built an abstraction using it to replace prepend
(unfortunately I have not included it with the release, which I
probably should--perhaps we could have a legacy folder with
externals considers obsolete?). This may prove a slight
frustration in the interim until we provide an online resource
for legacy externals, but in the long run I hope you will agree
it will result in a healthier ecosystem with no redundant
objects and therefore less confusion.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Hope this helps!</p>
<p dir="ltr">><br>
> Thanks a lot in advance.<br>
><br>
> Best,<br>
> Gilberto<br>
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