[L2Ork-dev] upcoming: 2.14.1

[Albert Graef]

Whatever you use, *not* Alt as modifier please, as that's our new temporary
runmode key. :) So no Ctrl+Alt+Tab, sorry Ico.

On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 6:44 PM Albert Graef <aggraef at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ctrl+Shift+Tab sounds good, and looking at our menu shortcuts, Ctrl+T
> should still be available as well.
>
> In any case, switchable tab navigation of the canvas would be awesome to
> have, in both editmode and runmode.
>
> Which reminds me that tab navigation of the help browser is broken (old
> bug), I think I'll better look into that today and see whether I can still
> get it fixed in time for 2.14.1.
>
> Albert
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 6:22 PM Ivica Ico Bukvic <ico at vt.edu> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 9/18/2020 12:05 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
>> > `<shift-tab>` navigates backwards.
>>
>> And pressing \ should create such a character and delete should delete
>> things but in pd neither work as the standard suggests. Yes, there are
>> standards, and then there are contextual needs. Sure shift-tab may not
>> be the best example but we can come up with a different 2/3/4-finger
>> salute to make this easier to access.
>>
>> ctrl+shift+tab?
>> ctrl+alt+tab?
>>
>> Pick your poison...
>>
>> Creating a message just to toggle this behavior on and off puts us
>> exactly in the same place where we are trying to get out of in respect
>> to the keyboard focus...
>>
>> >
>> > Also, regular old `<tab>` is key to discoverability. This is the way
>> > tab focus works in all modern systems. We just need a shortcut for the
>> > menu option to toggle it on/off.
>> >
>> > -Jonathan
>> >
>> >>>
>> >>> On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 11:06 AM Ivica Ico Bukvic <ico at vt.edu> wrote:
>> >>>> On 9/18/2020 11:03 AM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
>> >>>>> On 9/18/2020 10:49 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Tab could be also used in run mode for some activity (as it is in
>> L2Ork
>> >>>>>> Tweeter, for instance) and hijacking it would interrupt the
>> interaction
>> >>>>>> flow.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> There's a huge usability boon to allowing the user to change focus
>> >>>>>> using tab in runmode, just as there is in a browser when filling
>> out a
>> >>>>>> form. We need a simple way to allow the user to do this so that,
>> for
>> >>>>>> example, they can traverse a column of gatoms to quickly update
>> many
>> >>>>>> different values. That's been a recurring feature request in
>> Vanilla,
>> >>>>>> and users go to a lot of trouble hacking the GUI->Pd system in
>> order
>> >>>>>> to simulate it.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> We could just add a "tabfocus" method to glists. When it's on tab
>> can
>> >>>>>> be used to traverse focus of gui elements with the keyboard. I'd
>> argue
>> >>>>>> to have it on by default.
>> >>>>> I don't disagree that it would not be potentially useful. However,
>> how
>> >>>>> would you prevent it from adversely affecting the aforesaid
>> scenario?
>> >>>>> Perhaps press shift+tab to get started and then you get exclusive
>> >>>>> focus in this mode and freely tab by pressing just tab until you Esc
>> >>>>> out of it? I could see that being useful. Plain tab to enter it
>> would
>> >>>>> result in a lot of unwanted positives.
>> >>>> That last sentence did not sound right. I meant "false positives" but
>> >>>> you probably already got that :-)
>> >>>>
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>> >>
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>> Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A.
>> Director, Creativity + Innovation
>> Co-Director, Human Centered Design iPhD
>> Institute for Creativity, Arts, and Technology
>>
>> Virginia Tech
>> Creative Technologies in Music
>> School of Performing Arts – 0141
>> Blacksburg, VA 24061
>> (540) 231-6139
>> ico at vt.edu
>>
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>> www.performingarts.vt.edu
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>> ico.bukvic.net
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> Dr. Albert Gr"af
> Computer Music Research Group, JGU Mainz, Germany
> Email: aggraef at gmail.com, web: https://agraef.github.io/
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Dr. Albert Gr"af
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