[L2Ork-dev] upcoming: 2.14.1

[Ivica Ico Bukvic]

On 9/18/2020 12:05 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
> `<shift-tab>` navigates backwards.

And pressing \ should create such a character and delete should delete 
things but in pd neither work as the standard suggests. Yes, there are 
standards, and then there are contextual needs. Sure shift-tab may not 
be the best example but we can come up with a different 2/3/4-finger 
salute to make this easier to access.

ctrl+shift+tab?
ctrl+alt+tab?

Pick your poison...

Creating a message just to toggle this behavior on and off puts us 
exactly in the same place where we are trying to get out of in respect 
to the keyboard focus...

>
> Also, regular old `<tab>` is key to discoverability. This is the way
> tab focus works in all modern systems. We just need a shortcut for the
> menu option to toggle it on/off.
>
> -Jonathan
>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 11:06 AM Ivica Ico Bukvic <ico at vt.edu> wrote:
>>>> On 9/18/2020 11:03 AM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
>>>>> On 9/18/2020 10:49 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tab could be also used in run mode for some activity (as it is in L2Ork
>>>>>> Tweeter, for instance) and hijacking it would interrupt the interaction
>>>>>> flow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's a huge usability boon to allowing the user to change focus
>>>>>> using tab in runmode, just as there is in a browser when filling out a
>>>>>> form. We need a simple way to allow the user to do this so that, for
>>>>>> example, they can traverse a column of gatoms to quickly update many
>>>>>> different values. That's been a recurring feature request in Vanilla,
>>>>>> and users go to a lot of trouble hacking the GUI->Pd system in order
>>>>>> to simulate it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We could just add a "tabfocus" method to glists. When it's on tab can
>>>>>> be used to traverse focus of gui elements with the keyboard. I'd argue
>>>>>> to have it on by default.
>>>>> I don't disagree that it would not be potentially useful. However, how
>>>>> would you prevent it from adversely affecting the aforesaid scenario?
>>>>> Perhaps press shift+tab to get started and then you get exclusive
>>>>> focus in this mode and freely tab by pressing just tab until you Esc
>>>>> out of it? I could see that being useful. Plain tab to enter it would
>>>>> result in a lot of unwanted positives.
>>>> That last sentence did not sound right. I meant "false positives" but
>>>> you probably already got that :-)
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> L2Ork-dev mailing list
>>>> L2Ork-dev at disis.music.vt.edu
>>>> https://disis.music.vt.edu/listinfo/l2ork-dev
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> L2Ork-dev mailing list
>>> L2Ork-dev at disis.music.vt.edu
>>> https://disis.music.vt.edu/listinfo/l2ork-dev
>> --
>> Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A.
>> Director, Creativity + Innovation
>> Co-Director, Human Centered Design iPhD
>> Institute for Creativity, Arts, and Technology
>>
>> Virginia Tech
>> Creative Technologies in Music
>> School of Performing Arts – 0141
>> Blacksburg, VA 24061
>> (540) 231-6139
>> ico at vt.edu
>>
>> www.icat.vt.edu
>> www.performingarts.vt.edu
>> l2ork.icat.vt.edu
>> ico.bukvic.net
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> L2Ork-dev mailing list
>> L2Ork-dev at disis.music.vt.edu
>> https://disis.music.vt.edu/listinfo/l2ork-dev
> _______________________________________________
> L2Ork-dev mailing list
> L2Ork-dev at disis.music.vt.edu
> https://disis.music.vt.edu/listinfo/l2ork-dev

-- 
Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A.
Director, Creativity + Innovation
Co-Director, Human Centered Design iPhD
Institute for Creativity, Arts, and Technology

Virginia Tech
Creative Technologies in Music
School of Performing Arts – 0141
Blacksburg, VA 24061
(540) 231-6139
ico at vt.edu

www.icat.vt.edu
www.performingarts.vt.edu
l2ork.icat.vt.edu
ico.bukvic.net