Excuse me, it's a bit "out of the topic" but can't find [knob] nor [mknob] any more. Are these objects in external libraries ? thank you -- Jean-Christophe (Sekinger) 19 rue des Pontets, Bordeaux (33000) 09 52 12 53 02 (dedans) 06 82 09 82 20 (dehors) http://traits.ouvaton.org/